Evening looks like the Philios is out in the wild (well to someone on youtube !) Looking forward to the review https://youtube.com/shorts/a0Upq7N2v0E?si=O01ykOp7RBmrD5ff

Excitement builds!! Looking at the architecture it looks like someone in the UK too! I have absolutely zero interest in what the influencers think of this one, it’s a day one purchase for me.

@"HarveyMushman"#p60274 yes he is defo in the Uk - i do like his videos! I have not ordered the gbw allground - kinda waiting to see what the philos is like.. tbh nothing wrong with my current allground….. Still cannot see a price officially on the mazzer site - nor of they will have a reseller in the UK rather than a import from Venice.

I might’ve imagined this but I think @"DavecUK"#1 suggested Mazzer will retail this themselves and aim for a sub £1k price point (possibly for early adopters, with a later price rise). I’ve been waiting years for a single-dose, multi-method grinder from a heritage manufacturer that I like the design of. The latter two usually being the reason for me not buying anything yet. Tbh, even if it’s not perfect it’ll be an upgrade on my current setup and like the LM, just nice to own and use.

Looks great. I think I’ve read somewhere it’s between 900-100 euros.

@"Emc2"#p60303 I wish it was a 100 euros 😂

Quick snap from youtube as he has it on the shelf - and gives some nice size comparisons [URL=https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Rumours on HB, so take this with a pinch of salt, are that the Philos has been delayed. Wouldn’t surprise me given the impact global conflicts on supply chains.

Yeah I saw that. Though made me laugh that places took deposits and then refunded especially as I thought that mazzer were selling them direct to start with… but theres no info in the mazzer site either. Just waiting to see the review tbh - anyhow my blind shaker is about to arrive - so something else to play with 😂

Yeah the retailers I've spoken to in the UK said they had no plans to stock it. Looks like it will indeed be Mazzer direct. I can see the reviews being disappointing. There's no shortage of low priced 64mm flats and people who don't care about build quality, place of build and manufacturer heritage are going to say it's overpriced and find plenty of flaws I'm sure. It's an interesting price point because you can get capable single dosers for half the price or less, and it's obviously not going to compete with the top-end grinders like Kafateks etc. I think the only way this will sell well in the current market is if influencers really get behind it. Then again, I don't think Mazzer necessarily need it to sell massively well as the home market still isn't their bread and butter. I'm excited for it and have said before, will be buying it regardless but I don't expect it to be a flawless grinder.

depends really, the build should be better than that of the df and time mores, you would think, but its a saturated market there has been a zerno fs and a kafatec and weber eg1 all around £1500 on the old forum

Mazzer Philos

HarveyMushman

dfk41 I think it’s all guesses at the moment. I agree with everyone else that £1000 seems incredibly unlikely given how much Mazzer’s other grinders cost. Of course they might have cut some costs but looking at the videos of it coming apart, it looks as solid as their other offerings.

All that’s confirmed at this point is Mazzer themselves have said to multiple people (Dave included at Host Milan) that they’re selling direct to consumer (which they did for the first time with their Omega hand grinder) and it’ll be £1000/1000EUR.

Mazzer confirmed to me yesterday directly that the retail link above is incorrect on both pricing and availability.

I think this is a situation where we’ll all need to believe it when we see it. I agree that £1000 seems incredibly unlikely for an Italian-built single doser from Mazzer.

MattH

HarveyMushman

dfk41 I am pretty much ignoring all the random posts on HB as its all speculation. Once its actually available to order and ship - then we can see what price point mazzer hits.

Cuprajake

think most are baffled at the £1000 because of mazzer reputation, esp when things like the new df83 is £745 and the sculptors are £500 up

BrendaninBrooklyn

Cuprajake They are built cheaply in Asia; Mazzer built solidly in Europe. I’m certain the Philos price will be good value, however I’d be happier still at 1,000 as it might cause some of those buying on price, to consider quality as worth a small premium.

FadedFrontiers

Guessing the quoted 1000 EUR for shipping and warranty from Mazzer won’t include taxes/customs - at least for UK customers, which would also bring the cost closer to that reseller site?

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
Mazzer seems to be marketing the philos as firstly a light commercial grinder as well as a home grinder, so the mention of light commercial leads me to believe that a lower threshold of robustness is specified for the components or the philos vs a heavy Duty commercial grinder like the Major or the Super Jolly for instance. That may be a partial explanation for their ability to offer the philos at a lower price than expected

Cuprajake

i mean its too cheap for mazzer going off past prices.

BrendaninBrooklyn

Cuprajake I wonder at the rumored price as well. Direct competitors in the USA, that is, very high build quality and performance –

1,500 Olympic Moca SD
1,600 Option O Lagom P64
1,500 Zerno Z1

So I’ve assumed $1,300 –$ 1,600 for Philos here. I would be delighted though at the rumored price for the reason I mentioned.

I doesn’t really affect me as I’ve just added a Fiorenzato Pietro ProBrew, and will be adding a Niche Duo when my extremely slow renovations are done. However, I always cheer for exceptional products, even those I’ll not purchase.

HarveyMushman

Weirdly for me as a bit of a Mazzer fanboy I’ve gone right off the design. I love their traditional shaped OD grinders but I guess they’ve followed the Zerno / ZM (and others) styling to aid single dosing. Just doesn’t look ‘Mazzer’ to me other than the huge logo on the front.

dfk41

I am always one to buck the trend, but it has been ages since I had a traditional hopper fed grinder on my bench. I am so on the lookout for one…..I like the Fiorenzato range and have had both 64mm and 83mm versions, many years ago

DavecUK

HarveyMushman It was our very own @DavecUK that mentioned it from Host Milan!

I got that pricing when I spoke to Luigi Mazzer, the VP of the company and the son of Giovani Mazzer (owner). I did stress that it was a target they wanted to achieve for the introductory pricing of the Philos….It would go at at some point after that to it’s normal price…which was not disclosed. Probably because they are not absolutely sure what that should be.

dfk41

DavecUK I did stress that it was a target they wanted to achieve for the introductory pricing of the Philos….It would go at at some point after that to it’s normal price…which was not disclosed.

From the horses mouth

DavecUK

chlorox It seemed a pretty robust grinder to me? The only thing might be the space within the grinder…motor ventilation might be a concern for them and the heating that could occur due to a heavy commercial duty cycle?

The Philos was heavy and well made…as for the burrs, who knows, they have a lot of experience, so one would hope they are good, but like with all new things including burrs, the performance both short and long term is unknown. although one assumes they did burr life testing, which I would trust Mazzer to do well, not so sure about Chinese burr manufacturers? I am not aware of what the burr life is unless someone has some numbers

HarveyMushman

I suppose when you think a Super Jolly Doser is about £650 brand new, the Philos is in some ways a remodelled version in that it’s a 64mm flat with an on/off switch, so I guess £1000 isn’t completely beyond the realms of reality.

MattH

HarveyMushman Well I was also thinking Super Jolly V Pro which is I think just under 1200 inc vat in the UK - thats a beast - so I don’t see why a simpler single doser could not hit that… I guess we shall see eventually

I did chuckle in some of the vids where they struggled getting the philios in place.. seems a bulky lump of metal.

Dusk

I don’t think made in Italy for £1,000 or €1,000 is impossible. Comparisons to other grinders is kind of irrelevant as it only compares RRP. I don’t for a second think any of the DF grinders cost anything like their RRP’s.

I don’t know how coffee equipment pricing works but I assume a fairly big margin is built in because for most people these are infrequent purchases.

HarveyMushman

MattH

Yeah exactly! I think that’s what’s put me off a bit. It would look huge next to the LM. I guess in a commercial setting it’s a non-issue and other vertical flats like the EK would dwarf it.

Verion

A listing has popped up on Coffee Omega for £1300. I’ll take or leave the price at the moment since it’s still contentious.

https://www.coffeeomega.co.uk/product/mazzer-philos-grinder/

dfk41

Verion Plus vat

Verion

dfk41 I just noticed that in the right hand side.

I hate to say it, but I’m leaning towards to the Lagom P64 again. Maybe if I rob a bank, the Lagom 01.

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