Evening looks like the Philios is out in the wild (well to someone on youtube !) Looking forward to the review https://youtube.com/shorts/a0Upq7N2v0E?si=O01ykOp7RBmrD5ff

Excitement builds!! Looking at the architecture it looks like someone in the UK too! I have absolutely zero interest in what the influencers think of this one, it’s a day one purchase for me.

@"HarveyMushman"#p60274 yes he is defo in the Uk - i do like his videos! I have not ordered the gbw allground - kinda waiting to see what the philos is like.. tbh nothing wrong with my current allground….. Still cannot see a price officially on the mazzer site - nor of they will have a reseller in the UK rather than a import from Venice.

I might’ve imagined this but I think @"DavecUK"#1 suggested Mazzer will retail this themselves and aim for a sub £1k price point (possibly for early adopters, with a later price rise). I’ve been waiting years for a single-dose, multi-method grinder from a heritage manufacturer that I like the design of. The latter two usually being the reason for me not buying anything yet. Tbh, even if it’s not perfect it’ll be an upgrade on my current setup and like the LM, just nice to own and use.

Looks great. I think I’ve read somewhere it’s between 900-100 euros.

@"Emc2"#p60303 I wish it was a 100 euros 😂

Quick snap from youtube as he has it on the shelf - and gives some nice size comparisons [URL=https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Rumours on HB, so take this with a pinch of salt, are that the Philos has been delayed. Wouldn’t surprise me given the impact global conflicts on supply chains.

Yeah I saw that. Though made me laugh that places took deposits and then refunded especially as I thought that mazzer were selling them direct to start with… but theres no info in the mazzer site either. Just waiting to see the review tbh - anyhow my blind shaker is about to arrive - so something else to play with 😂

Yeah the retailers I've spoken to in the UK said they had no plans to stock it. Looks like it will indeed be Mazzer direct. I can see the reviews being disappointing. There's no shortage of low priced 64mm flats and people who don't care about build quality, place of build and manufacturer heritage are going to say it's overpriced and find plenty of flaws I'm sure. It's an interesting price point because you can get capable single dosers for half the price or less, and it's obviously not going to compete with the top-end grinders like Kafateks etc. I think the only way this will sell well in the current market is if influencers really get behind it. Then again, I don't think Mazzer necessarily need it to sell massively well as the home market still isn't their bread and butter. I'm excited for it and have said before, will be buying it regardless but I don't expect it to be a flawless grinder.

depends really, the build should be better than that of the df and time mores, you would think, but its a saturated market there has been a zerno fs and a kafatec and weber eg1 all around £1500 on the old forum

Mazzer Philos

HarveyMushman

Bit of a write up over on HB. Sounds like they’ve had the grinders for a fair while and given them a good test.

I think Mazzer are sponsors of HB so I’m taking some of the gushy comments with a pinch of salt but the 200 burrs sound intriguing.

I’ve no plans to get a single dose grinder regardless but I must admit the more I see pictures of the Philos the less I like how it looks. Seems to lack the refinement of say the Titus Nautilus (admittedly a far more expensive grinder). But then I’m a huge fan of Mazzer’s OD grinder designs.

Will be interested to hear from home users once it’s in their hands.

I’m tempted to get a Super Jolly V Pro and the 200 burrs if they’re compatible.

https://www.home-barista.com/blog/mazzer-philos-grinder-review-t93436.html#p985754

MattH

HarveyMushman yeah I keep checking prices on a super jolly v pro… though I don’t need another on demand grinder honest guv…

HarveyMushman

MattH

Haha same here! I’m absolutely happy with the x54 but yes, regularly eyeing up a V Pro.

Redla

Cant say it tells us much more than what we didn’t already know. The more I see it the more i’m put off it, if i’m honest. I was surprised by the grind time.

HarveyMushman

Yeah agreed. It’s nice that they’ve launched a single doser but it’s just such a saturated market with some very good options that by this point you’ve really got to knock it out the park to gain traction. I’m not sure the amount of time from announcement to release has helped either.

I notice in the HB review they note espresso shots extracting up to 4 seconds quicker when switching back from a filter grind. They seem to gloss over it in the review but that’s pretty significant and is easily the difference between drinkable and undrinkable. Presumably the only way to get around that is grind a few beans through at the new grind setting to clear the grind path. Not ideal on a single doser when you can’t just pulse a button.

Not a fan of the finish either. I love Mazzer’s high gloss coatings on their on-demand grinders so would’ve been nice to see that used here.

dutchy101

Looks like a meat grinder to me

Cuprajake

Still torn on this grinder

Need to see more real world as £1000 for a £64mm grinder is up there.

BrendaninBrooklyn

Cuprajake Jake, not compared to Olympia, Option O, Zerno which seem to be the sole competitors. If it retails for that much I believe they will sell all they can make.

HarveyMushman

While looking for a Super Jolly V Pro I’ve realised UK retailers basically make up whatever price they like for Mazzer grinders so who knows what the price will be.

The V Pro ranges all over the place from £900 - £1700 so it’s not surprising we’re already seeing a variety of prices for the Philos.

The difference with the Philos is Mazzer have said they’ll sell it directly which they don’t do with anything other than the Omega, so it will be interesting to see if all the other retailers update their prices to reflect whatever Mazzer set it as.

FadedFrontiers

From watching some of the videos posted about the Philos, it strikes me how similar it sounds to a SJ or DF64 gen 1 when turned on with no beans. Given its size and price it would really benefit from some sound dampening, if final units do ship like the review ones that have been sent out.

HarveyMushman

Well, Mazzer did a number on the naysayers (including myself)…

£736 shipped (excluding taxes).

I said I wasn’t going to get one but I’ve preordered. At that price I’m not even bothered if it’s not flawless.

MattH

HarveyMushman where did you order it ? On the mazzer site ?

Ignore me found the link - thats all a new website - they are becoming more serious it seems.

So which burr and colour did you preorder ?

JammyDodger

I’ve just jointed you HarveyMushman in a black Philos with the 200 burrset - I can’t wait! I couldn’t decide between the black or the silver finish. Since my coffee cart is black I figured it would blend in better. I haven’t bought any new coffee stuff for ages, so this is a bit of a treat!

MattH

Oh boy oh boy…. and I had stopped looking…

HarveyMushman

MattH

There was a ‘preorder’ button. You have to pay €1 EUR. I guess it’s just to allocate the first shipments.

Sorry yes I should’ve linked it!

https://shop.mazzer.com/en-gb/products/philos-gb?variant=47954729075020

I went for black and the I200D burr. I’m a huge fan of Mazzer’s 64mm burrs so excited to see what these new ones are like.

MattH

Silver 189d 😉

chlorox

I’m not even in the market for a 64mm grinder and I am seriously tempted by such a price! Good pricing by mazzer. They should keep it as the permanent price actually and it will really cause a stir in rhe market.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox The EU introductory price is an amazing bargain. You can always sell it later when pricing is higher if you are not entirely satisfied.

MediumRoastSteam

Why is this a good piece? I don’t get it. Is it because it’s a Mazzer, and because it’s a Mazzer expensive it must be? Niche is cheaper with bigger burrs, DFs are a lot cheaper, T-64 with SSP burrs is a lot cheaper. You could argue Eureka single dose grinders are a lot cheaper too - and those are European made.

Cuprajake

Imo it sounds cheap for a mazzer and that kinda worries me. Strangely

For me that means either mazzer have been ripping people off for years with their other grinders

They have really cheapened production cost of this new grinder or even off shore production 🤷

How ever it does make a change from a new grinder point of view that it’s not one of the new 9 thousand Chinese grinders coming out rebadged.

MattH

Cuprajake Its still 900 odd quid after tax - and you can buy a super jolly pro for 1100 all in… I would sat thats about right. The single doser is a simpler beast in terms of build/electronics etc etc

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake For me that means either mazzer have been ripping people off for years with their other grinders

Of course not. They are built like a tank, they are heavy. Thick paint. Why would that be cheap?

Jokes aside, I get traditional Mazzers been expensive, as they are made for commercial environments. At the end of the day, it’s all about supply and demand. As long as people pay and they keep their profits operating in this model, there’s no reason to change. The badge has a value to it, and no doubt they are fully aware, and know very well how to leverage that.

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake that it’s not one of the new 9 thousand Chinese grinders coming out rebadged.

This is true. But… why didn’t the Eureka Oro line take off then? Because they are not Mazzers? A single dose Eureka Oro is half the price of this new Mazzer.

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