I wondered if any member had owned or does own the Kafatek Monolith Conical? I have nearly pulled the trigger on one several times now. I have a friend who has one of the flat versions and he really does enjoy it, especially praising the burrs. Is it an itch….most definitely. Will I scratch it……I hope so. They are taking $1000. deposits (non-refundable) for June delivery. Does anyone have any suggestions of a similar grinder that maybe worth thinking about? I think one of the things putting me off is that I had really wanted 83mm and not 71mm burrs. But I keep on hearing about their in house designed burrs!

I've considered one of the Monolith flats but yeah, serious money and probably enormous costs in getting them to the UK. The Weber Key uses 83mm although that's not a proprietary burr, rather a Mazzer Robur burr that I think they do something to in-house.

I had a deposit for the monolith flat max before financial sanity intervened and I sold it to someone else. I understand the pull as the reputation of the shurikone burrs seems uniformly positive just as it is for the shuriken flat burrs, but it is a lot of money...one thing good is that if u change your mind you should be able to sell the deposit and your place on the waiting list to someone else (presuming if the demand for them is still as robust as it was when I had a deposit)

@"chlorox"#p61996 I think the conical may not be as popular as the flats. I would be quite happy ordering now and waiting a few months. The burning question for me, is will I notice a difference or am I just being daft!

ive lusted after one for years, and never had chance to buy, you have to jump through hoops to get them new, bit charlie and the chocolate factory....

@"dfk41"#p61999 I think you are being daft. You have claimed multiple times to not have a very discerning palate. You have also poo poohed various puck prep/dosing techniques ad nauseam. You have at least one very good conical. That said, life is short if you can afford it treat yourself. You can always sell it on for a minor loss. 🥳

@"dfk41"#p61999 The fact that we r spending thousands on coffee instead kf guzzling instant coffee like most other people is already proof to the rest of the world all of us on this forum are quite daft! So if your finances are in the happy situation of being able to afford it responsibly, then there's no reason why u shouldn't buy one. Worse cometo worse u can sell it if it is unsatisfactory and a kafatek grinder tends to be more in demand than most other grinders.

@"Cuprajake"#p62003 The ordering system is easy and open…..just deposit a non-returnable $1000!

@"Amberale"#p62004 Well summed up sir!

If you change your mind after placing the deposit, your purchase is actually transferable. Meaning, if you change your mind, prior to shipping and your paying the 2nd payment, Denis allows you to transfer the reservation to another person.

dont you have to get in quick though to even pay the deposit?

Kafatek Conical

Cuprajake

https://www.mischiefworkshop.com/product/mischiefworkshop-demon-singledose-grinder%ef%bc%8c71mm-conical-burr/

Always get that

dfk41

Cuprajake That looks interesting! I always found Dennis easy to get on with but like many, he has two sides. There was only one conical left and it is still there. I am not going to order it. I have thought long and hard for a couple of days now and I think that it is more of an itch than a real desire. In the old days I had everything going and did not appreciate any of them. If my taste buds were better I might have gone the other way. I have no issues with the purchase price of $2450 but when you then factor in postage and vat with import duties it changes the landscape somewhat.

The nice thing is I might see things differently in the future. I would really like to find someone local to me so I can have a proper play

dfk41

Cuprajake I guess there are Chinese knock offs out there. The grinder looks interesting and is priced competitively…….but……..it is a Chinese knock off pretending to be the real thing. I added one to the cart to follow the order through……..$1410 delivered to the UK or about £1114……a lot to take a chance on!

chlorox

Cuprajake
I have seen kafatek knock offs being advertised for sale on alibaba so that’s probably where this one is sourced from. Looks like somebody in China got their hands on a monolith titan grinder ans then reverse engineered it. Apart from the issue of IP appropriation, the problem is also the unknown nature of the parts that were used as well as the tolerances of the burrs and alignment etc if one even assumes that every aspect of the titan grinder has been copied- which is not s given as the similarities may he merely cosmetic in nature. Way too dicey to hazard paying such an elevated price.

chlorox

dfk41
That sounds like a wise decision - always best to try first before u invest in one if hat is at all possible.

chlorox

JonWoo187
I think that rather shows that the guy should never have bought a kafatek as what he really needed was a conical with traditional Italian style burrs like the kony burrs. What the kafatrmis for is for those who want to wander beyond that envelope of taste preference.

Cuprajake

Yeah I’d never buy one 😂 there’s a believer craft ultra to 😂

pjw

I have MC4, the dual burr but the Mazzer is the main burr sets.

It does the job, never regret buying, and no intent to change to MC5/6 as I love Mazzer taste profile for darker/medium coffee.

Conical, so easy to use, trivial to dial, silent. Premium Niche, better built and with obvious benefit of the pre-braker.

If money is not an issue, go for it. Very good grinder.

dfk41

Someone made the point earlier in the thread, that would I be able to detect much of a difference between 63mm and 71mm burrs. That was a very good question and is what has stopped me from pulling the plug on one. I still enjoy using my Niche Zero and T 64 but would like to get a bigger burred conical. I definitely do not want an HG 1 or hand grinder and very few of the other usual suspects pique my interest. SO, if in doubt sit tight….you never know but someone within striking distance might get a Monolith conical and be kind enough to invite me over

DavecUK

dfk41 With my experience of the Mazzer 83mm conicals, is that you would taste a difference.

JimmyP

dfk41 Why not HG-1? 🤔

dfk41

DavecUK I hope so, but it isa case of finding those 83mm burrs in the right grinder….I am struggling to think of many options, although maybe that is a good thing! In the old days I would have just bought a Robur and accepted the retention!

Rob666

dfk41 it isa case of finding those 83mm burrs in the right grinder

Following this with interest, The Niche Zero has served me very well but I am curious about what I might discover with bigger conicals.

JimmyP

Rob666 More clarity. Less body.

dfk41

JimmyP I have had 2 over the years. I had one of the first batch released but I simply could not be arsed to hand grind! In those days my habit working from home often meant grinding 12 to 20 coffees a day and my grinder of choice was always hooper fed…retirement and lockdown changed all that!

Uncletits

dfk41 my habit working from home often meant grinding 12 to 20 coffees a day

We’re you a hairdresser David? 😉

dfk41

Uncletits YEs…….how did you guess?

dfk41

I saw this today. Seems a lot of bang for the buck…..

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006887622373.html?src=google#nav-review

MediumRoastSteam

dfk41 looks like a pumped thermal flask… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🍿🍿🍿

Adrianmsmith

dfk41

Sweet 83mm 😎

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