There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

Adrianmsmith

Robti

It’s not even that difficult 🤓

Just use it……

What are you grinding for, what brew method.

Just pick a number, grind some and adjust until you are “dialled in”.

For espresso try starting in the ball park of 15

Robti

Adrianmsmith Hi I only grind for flat whites, and just wondered if I had missed something in the long thread after skimming over it.

Thanks

Robti

Sorry yet another post, I just received my grinder and there was a bag of “failed qc” beans with a label for seasoning the burrs, but after many grinders this is my first new one, I have already put through around 100g of these and wondered if this was enough or what, then do I just throw these beans out ?

Thanks

Adrianmsmith

Robti

I used that bag to dial in with and get used to the grinder. Didn’t actually drink it. Had a sip but wasn’t for me.

No hard and fast rules. I don’t think seasoning is necessary.

Just saves you wasting good beans dialling in.

Just accept over the coming weeks coffee should slowly increase in pleasure 🥰😁☕

Just dive in and enjoy!!

Robti

I had a Brasilia rd 55 and the T64 is at least 3 -4 times slower at grinding, looking forward to a coffee in the morning, in fact I might break my routine and switch the coffee machine on to see if any difference

Adrianmsmith

Robti

Fast just means fast, not necessarily better.

Just use it on minimum and then max to clear it. I use a puff of the bellow, some say no bellow. Personal choice

I think the below clears the declumper and is not messy

We can argue about this forever! At the end of the day I am right, you are right, Dave is right ☕🥰

Answer to your next question. It has a 60 second timer and will go off if you leave it running….

DavecUK

Robti what valuable activity could you be doing during those saved seconds. Up to a certain point the speed of grinding isn’t that important, It’s the quality of grind

Robti

Adrianmsmith hi so use the whole bag, lol I was going to bin it, will run more through the machine.

Thanks

Robti

Adrianmsmith thanks and no more questions for the time being

Adrianmsmith

Robti

That’s ok. I’m sat nursing a broken leg for at least another few weeks so have all the time in the world to give daft answers to many questions 😜😎☕ I feel a ban coming on 🤫

Robti

DavecUK it’s slow going emptying a kg of beans through the burrs, but I know about the quality but been using the Brasilia for many years and was surprised

DavecUK

Robti it’s slow going emptying a kg of beans through the burrs, but I know about the quality but been using the Brasilia for many years and was surprised

Don’t bother seasoning, it’s an SSP coated tool steel burr, the surface prep before the Titanium Aluminium Nitride process already takes all the rough edges off the burrs.

Robti

DavecUK thank you once again sir you have set me straight

Robti

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New grinder set up and old one starting to break down to clean, size difference is a lot to me but happy, sorry don’t know why the photos are like that

Adrianmsmith

Robti

That bellow unit doesn’t look very flexible. 😜🤫🤓🥁

Robti

Gu dessert my grinder arrived without a lid so left the bellows off for now

DavecUK

Robti I wondered why it looked like Robbie the robot from the 60s lost in space show.. Presumably BB are sending you a lid?

Robti

DavecUK yes called today and marko sorted it

Adrianmsmith

Robti you actually spoke to Marko. Wow, there’s an achievement Sir Robti 😎🙃

Cuprajake

theres a lot of knock off ssp on ebay atm so be aware

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