Will anyone own up to having something like this? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007165634683.html Very attractively priced but Chinese engineering can be very good, or very bad. It seems a lot to sink in to a possible dog.

@"profesor_historia"#p70255 Why’s that? 🤔

@"dfk41"#p70231 Good question. I look at WW HG-1 copy and wonder if performance would be the same? Even WW admit that the long grinding shaft is not necessarily aligned unless beans are in the chamber 🤔

Like dfk41 said, it's a gambling. IMO if they can produce good quality, i still don't understand why they need to be so shameless copying the appearances, for me is already a no no…..i'm against the doping🤣

@"JimmyP"#p70269 I like to be on the safe side in general

If the zeitgeist around Chinese grinders is correct, than whether it's a Timore 78, DF whatever etc.. Then it shouldn't matter any more and the knock offs might be brilliant, they just haven't used an influencer to shill them.

£937.47 for the conical version, plus £95.25 carriage plus vat and import duties comes t about £2280. That is a gig gamble as it will be worthless if it has problems. I just guesstimated figures but agree am £1000 out!

@"DavecUK"#p70281 They always play in a price window, that, especially 3 years ago once the first DF was launched, was not so difficult to take the risk, but at such price tag, i would like to have a closer look before to only think to buy it.

Where are Kafatek grinders made? Is there a chance with some of these 'knockoffs' that they're actually just the exact same grinders just without the branding applied?

@"HarveyMushman"#p70288 No, Kafatek are made in Seattle by Denis Basaric.

Knock off Chinese grinders

dutchy101

Yes it was. I bought the grinder after seeing the review

Adrianmsmith

dutchy101

Do you have df64 as well as t64?

dutchy101

Yeah. I put Mazzer burrs in the DF64. It was and still is a great grinder, but the bellows/ mess was getting annoying, so the T64 turned my head. At the price point and with the SSP burrs and following Dave’s review I thought it was too good an offer to miss.

I was going to sell the DF64 on, but it will make a nice housewarming gift to a friend who has just built his new house

Adrianmsmith

dutchy101

Sounds good, mess his new house up. Rofl. ☕🥰

dutchy101

Hahaha. They will be doing filter rather than espresso so might not need to be as vigorous on the bellows as I was

Adrianmsmith

Did anyone here purchase one of the chinese Kafatek copies or has anyone seen a genuine review.

Would be interesting to see just how many corners were cut and how bad the machining quality and tolerances are in comparison to how we know the genuine product is made.

dfk41

Adrianmsmith I have thought about these a few times, but strongly suspect they would just be a paper weight. Anyone buying one now is unlikely not to buy the Shuriken burrs for starters…….but like you, I would be most interested in the outcome if anyone dipped in!

JimmyP

Adrianmsmith Perhaps a bit of blind tasting too 🙂

chlorox

Adrianmsmith

Since you have a real max 3, how about taking one for the team and getting one of those imitation grinders to do a side by side comparison? 😀

mykm

The upside down PF forks is all the corner cutting proof one needs

Adrianmsmith

chlorox

I think you are thinking of @Systemic 🤪😎

Mines just an old 2 ☕

If anyone has one they want comparing im happy to do it 🤓

chlorox

Adrianmsmith

Close enough! But seriously it is worrying to see knock offs like that floating around because if one were to be trying to buy a. Used one, in rhe back of your mind you would be wondering if it were a true kafatek or not

Systemic

chlorox Close enough! But seriously it is worrying to see knock offs like that floating around because if one were to be trying to buy a. Used one, in rhe back of your mind you would be wondering if it were a true kafatek or not

If the price is beyond cheap, you’re hackles should be raised. I don’t think anyone who might be interested in a Kafatek would be fooled but, as they say, caveat emptor. A Kafatek is engineered to micron tolerances - I doubt the copies are.

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