Nightrider_1uk I totally concur with your opinion on this. I have often added a box to my voting paper for the “None Of The Above Party” and crossed that. My opinion is that all politicians are out of the same mold, its only the colour of their tie that changes.

I think one of the biggest problems in our system of government and politics is this labelling of right, left, green etc. each party having it’s creed and mantra to follow which shapes their policies. It’s not the way to run a country. We need to loose these labels and thinking and move to legal manifestos so parties can start to govern for the good of the country and people in it…not ideological alignments.

Instead we have all parties opposing the ideas of all other parties, it’s a nonsense.

    its not really for the good of the people though, never has been its us and them

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    DavecUK

    We effectively have two party politics, there are certainly some countries where coalition governments are the norm and they do much better than us but I think our political system is too ingrained to see anything like that working here.

      DavecUK

      I’ve told my extreme family and friends for years – a healthy society includes both liberal and conservative viewpoints. Both are necessary. And what matters is what is good for the society – not the party. Sadly, the USA has lost this awareness. The actual problems that need solving are largely buried beneath party rhethoric. Mercutio was right.

        BrendaninBrooklyn
        DavecUK

        There is at least more hope for usa now than for the UK or Europe because for the first time in a very long time and perhaps ever in the us, there is an administration coming into power that promises to be truly bilateral between the right and left snd liberal and conservative in the intereets of the good of their country. Whether one likes him or not, trump has nominated as his cabinet a line up of candidates who are incentivised to bring radical change to government and given a 2 year target to produce tangible results and solve the issues afflicting the physical health of anericans and the health of its economy, immigration security and foreign policy. The entire cabinet itself has a greater diversity of values than probably ever seen before in a republican cabinet with many of its objectives traditionally belonging to classical left viewpoints. So the aspirations of many here who are sick of right vs left can draw hope from that development, and hopefully other nations like the UK and Australia will follow suit soon.

          Dusk
          Coalition governments are usually compromises that end up achieving little and fail to address endemic issues at all by virtue of its political weakness. What is needed is a popular movement of the best kind of nationalism that transcends any one political psrty and thar seeks the good of the country and not of oneself, to adapt from jfk’s most famous words and which finally recognises that the real enemy are the entrenched elites and tbe power structure they have built parasitically to hijack institutions to serve them and perpetuate their stranglehold on power and wealth. Only then can leaders be set free from ideology to be able to pragmatically address those issues with bilateral approaches and solutions. That is what has happened in the US with the America First/MAGA movement amd that happened in the UK with brexit but which was hijacked and frustrated by the conservatives but that promises to be revived with what is now happening with the reform party and tommy Robinson etc.

          chlorox While this sounds good, Trump’s history makes the reality doubtful. It really doesn’t help that he has repeatedly shown no respect for law and encouraged lawless behavior in others. There’s more that can be said but let time tell.

            BrendaninBrooklyn Spoken as a true Democrat…….LOL. It is funny how from taking office in 2016, the allegations started immediately, yet none of them stuck, unless you count that most dubious of claims of sexual assualt in a changing cubicle. The Democrats knew that in this election they would not get away with the shenanigans of the last, so went on the personal attack and look where that got them. They forced sleepy Joe out with not enough time to put cancidates through an electoral system. This meant all hopes were pinned on Kamala…..I think the world has had a very lucky escape!

              BrendaninBrooklyn
              If u r referring to trump’s convictions and suits against him leading up to the election, all those are very clearly charges and suits literally trumped up to try to prejudice him in rhe eyes of voters in a orchestrated lawfare campaign. The charges were unprecedented and nobody had ever been charged eith tbag kind of offence before which was tailored specificallt for trump. The conviction may not evne need to go to the supreme court to he reversed because the New York appellate court has already expressed skepticism to the prosecutor over the nature of their case.

              On the contrary trump’s earlier 4 year term demonstrated a thriving economy, lows in illegal immigration crossings, and the absence of any lawfare against hillary clinton…so contrary to how the mainstream media like to portay him, rhe country did well.under his administration and democracy did just fine.

              In any event this will be trump’s last term and so he will be out to establish his legacy and that is evidenced most clearly by how he has made July 4, 2026 (the 250th anniversary of independence) a target to show tangible results for most of the reforms he is bringing through the nominees for his cabinet. So he is clearly motivated to deliver real change this time unlike the first term which he has said he did not expect to win and was actually caught by surprise when he did win, and at the time he did not know anyone in Washington dc who was able to fill the cabinet positions and he relied on the advice of lobbyists to put many dubious establishment figures in as a result.

                chlorox In any event this will be trump’s last term and so he will be out to establish his legacy

                this I think is a key factor in how he will approach his last presidency and potentially legacy. I think he would want to be remembered well.

                its just nice to see someone put the little guy first,

                they hate trump because hes not one of them, yes he has flaws hes a business man, but it shows how scared they are of him with the amount of stuff they have tried to pin on him

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                dfk41

                You know nothing about me. I am not a Democrat, now you know something.

                Trump’s history includes four bankruptcies; a fifth was avoided by becoming President and selling memberships to his club in Florida. He has a long string of dubious and unsuccessful ventures. Not exactly stellar acumen and leadership. BTW bankruptcy is a form of welfare; someone else gets stuck footing the bill.

                He pledged to protect the Constitution and instead encouraged sedition. Lots more could be said and much has been proven.

                He says the “right” things. There are real problems that need real solutions ASAP. I’ll warm up if I ever see any actual positive accomplishments instead of personal enrichment by Trump and his family.

                  chlorox

                  I’m certain your intention is good; you are missing major parts of the picture. Watch Russia and the entire Pacific closely.

                  If Trump turns out to be a positive for the USA and the globe, I’ll loudly cheer him on. However, I expect he is a larger hot-air balloon than the Hindenberg; not a man of substance.

                    BrendaninBrooklyn You know nothing about me. I am not a Democrat, now you know something.

                    True, you do not have to be a Democrat to be a Trump hater. If you really believe, beyond convenience, the rhetoric surrounding Trump, the allegations and faux charges, then that is your opinion and I respect that, in exactly the same way as you respect my opinion that it is just a good example of the nasty way the left do things

                      BrendaninBrooklyn
                      What you are repeating is the official narrative about Russia and Taiwan. But this narrative is one written by the military industrial complex and the democrat neo con war hawks that control the establishment and planted in so many people’s minds by the mainstream media for their own self interest. As a matter of fact the Ukraine war was entirely avoidable and fully provoked by the us and UK primarily in expanding nato beyond east Germany in breach of assurances given to soviet union at the time. Even after Turkey brokered a peace deal that was accepted by Ukraine, the us and UK forced zelensky to reject. And now more than half a million of ukraine’s youth are dead or crippled and it’s infrastructure almost totally levelled and economy set back decades…and Ukraine is just the latest coutry that the us military industrial complex and neo cons have ruined in addition to Afghanistan, iraq…

                      Ukraine is not a nato signatory but yet usa and nato are treating it as if it is and defending it. Why? There is the small matter of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of arms, trillions in the contracts to rebuild Ukraine after the war - all of which paid for in the short term by us and European tax payers of course, but in the long term by ukraine which will have to sell off.its national assets to western multinationals to repay those loans. There is the hundreds of trillions of rare earth minerals and titanium buried under Ukrainian soil. But of course it is so much more compelling to say instead they are doing it for Ukrainian freedom…

                      As for taiwan, think of how nonsensical current us policy is. Usa accepts China one country policy and therefore denies state hood for Taiwan. Yet supplies arms sales to Taiwan and refuses to commit itself to whether to defend it or not under the policy of so called strategic ambiguity. The policy makes no sense whatsoever. China knows full well that what that means is that usa will not sacrifice its soldiers to defend Taiwan.

                      Vivek ramaswamy who is an Integral part of the new trump leadership has espoused for strategic clarity whereby usa declares outright it will defend Taiwan militarily in case of invasion purely because Taiwanese semiconductors form the basis of us industry until usa achieves semiconductor independence. What that means is Taiwan will have a vital period of safety where he it knows for certainty that usa will defend it but it needs to beef up its defence spending to survive invasion from China. That policy change is vastly preferable and nuch clearer and gives Taiwan a fighting chance.

                      So I actually think the trump administration will bring much needed coherence and sense to us foreign policy that has been hitherto dictated too much by foreign adventurism and neo colonialist empire building that has been the greatest contributor to cause the 36 trillion plus budget deficit (the Iraq war alone added 7 trillion to the deficit) not to mention the millions dead worldwide as a result of us military adventurism…

                      As for trump’s bankruptcies in the past, bankruptcy law was introduced precisely to give businessmen another chance to rebuild. Here are a few othe famous American businessmen who also had to endure bankruptcy on their way to building their current success stories…

                      https://www.michiganbankruptcyfirm.com/debt-relief-resources/famous-cases-of-bankruptcy

                      Rather than being a negative thing, the fact that trump can come back and be a success after bankruptcies shows his resilience and never say die spirit- which are essential parts of the american spirit that made your country the superpower it is today!
                      On whether he is a man of substance - his 4 year term was infinitely better than the biden- harris term and most Americans agree that their lives were much better under trump…which is why he’s back in power by the choice of both the electoral college and the popular vote! Certainly he has far more substance than kamala harris and the other Democrats who have run america almost into the ground and intentionally allowed 11 million illegals to flood into the country in a bid to install them as future democrat voting population to secure a permanent majority for the Democrats for the whole countey like california. This alone is treason by the Democrats and biden ans harris and newsom should be in jail for purposely breaking us law and committing crimes against democracy itself by rigging the voter base.

                      I see from the litany of your complaints of trump that they mirror exactly the narrative that the mainstream media has foisted on the press. Isn’t it strange that prior to 2016 when he ran against the democrat candidate - which is the deep state candidate - that he was lionized by the establishment and by Hollywood. Trump was praised by black politicians as Contributing much to black advancement - but today the press and Democrats call him Hitler and racist! Oprah winfrey encouraged him on air to run for president and wanted to be his running mate vp candidate - but now she give a speech suggesting it could be the last time she votes if trump is elected! Trump used to be asked to come on as guest on talk shows and late night shows and give cameos in numerous movies by so many film stars - but today most film stars won’t be caught dead praising him as its the kiss of death to their careers…

                      Wake up brendan and be truly “woke”! You have been lied to about trump but it’s now truly morning in America and now it’s time to put your support behind your new president and try to reverse the calamity that the Democrats have inflicted on usa…

                        i openly admit i dont know enough about it, but from the outside what i see is:

                        as soon as trump left, ww3 nearly started, global immigration started and the price of everything went through the roof

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                          dfk41

                          I would say, the nasty way extremists on both sides do things. It is despicable regardless of point of origin, and hugely harms our republic.

                          I will not write my full reply at this moment except to say that any healthy society respects the views of both progressives and conservatives, and has an honest dialogue where both sides listen as well as talk, and produce some result which embodies the actual wisdom, not the rhetoric of both. A result for the good of the society, not the good of a political party.

                          Despite your enthusiasm, I live here and this is very, very far from what I am seeing. You assume Trump’s words are equivalent to his intentions and actions, present and future. I do not. If I am proved wrong, I shall be delighted.

                          chlorox

                          Too funny; you were what we in the USA call a liberal arts major, I presume.

                          Since you know everything there is little to say except you are entirely off-base about me; you know one version of American history promoted by one branch of media; Trump did not win a majority – less than 50% of voters backed him; his lead over Harris was enough to win but very, very slim; not a mandate. I could go on further however I suggest we wait. Actions, not words; results not rhetoric. If you and your fellows are right I shall be extremely pleased because that means a much better future than what I see now. If I am right – well, we shall see your response then.

                            Cuprajake

                            Jake,

                            Putin’s and China’s aggression are I’d say, very much the result of Trump’s work when in office. Happy to PM or email you if you wish to discuss further privately.

                            The global immigration problem is real and huge and needs a solution now not later. I have one to offer but not publicly as I’d prefer not to be murdered for my thoughts. I’m in the Netherlands for two months and believe me I can see the problem all too well. There is no time to lose, and that’s all I’ll say here.

                            Inflation was a real issue and in large part due to economic disruption by the pandemic. I think the actual numbers show the USA government during that time did a competent job, however no denying it was painful and bumpy. The hit to my retirement account was very, very large and unhappy. However, the situation now is much improved. Fingers crossed such a situation does not recur soon.

                            Best, Brendan

                              chlorox

                              Bankruptcy – so I looked and found nothing new; these are all well-known instances. I note all those named filed ONCE not FOUR verging on FIVE times.