The Petition - for another general election

it’s all a lot of horse-poo really. We’ve now got the leader of the Tory party complaining about electric car targets for the industry… they were set by the Tory government she was a part of. There’s just countless examples of how utterly banal and thoughtless everything political seems to be nowadays. Maybe it always was. I’ve picked two Con examples but they’re all about the same. I do think it’s a bit mad that people think of Labour as “hard left” - a lot of their current policies would be right of Thatcher.

JimmyP
Firstly allow me to point out thar there is no equivalence between what I originally posted and what you said in response to my post. I never cast any slurs nor insults on anyone. I believe every single reference I made concerning people on the so called progressive left would be acknowledged by them to be at the very least arguable statements of mere fact - that they are obsessed with woke politics, leftist, etc. If I had slurred them or insulted them with a pure slur equivalent to what you called me and others here of my viewpoint with “gammons”, I would have used terms like “loony left”. Which I didn’t…hence I didn’t “dish” out anything so ss to deserve being given some of the supposedly same treatment as u erroneously claimed…

As for my ability to take what I give, I have proven here and elsewhere that while i always give back with compound interest any unfair treatment anyone dishes out to me, I will always concede a point if I see that I am incorrect on anything.

Cuprajake
On UK getting destroyed, one big part of it is the general increasing lawlessness and the over permisiveness that is facilitating it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/27/netflix-star-caught-smuggling-drugs-worth-150k-into-uk/

This person didn’t even have to serve any jail time and she was trying to smuggle in 40 kg of a banned narcotic. 40 kilograms! One may be mistaken about being tricked to be a mule for 400g or 4kg even but 40 kg!!! Basically almost as heavy as she probably is! The absurdity of this is that had Thai immigration or customs or airport officials discovered the contents of her suitcases while she was still in Thailand, she would have been facing not only imprisonment but the death penalty…I am not saying uk should have the death sentence for such offences but the answer is certainly not this kind of patting of the wrist and saying there, there…

Milko
Which of their policies would be hard right of thatcher? Labour still seems not only left to me but leftist…
https://www.afr.com/world/europe/more-housing-fewer-aristocrats-starmer-lays-out-left-wing-vision-20240717-p5ju9v

Though as I said above, tbe labelling of the party as left or right nowadays isn’t as important as the key question of whether they are actually entrenching and defending and proseuting the interests of the establishment and the elites who control power, money and influence today and censoring and shutting down dissent and giving back little but dregs snd crumbs to those outside their orbit. And in that sense Labour certainly qualifies…

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/lovebombed-by-lobbyists-how-starmer-labour-became-the-party-of-big-business/

Cuprajake
The way Big Agri and Big Processed Food industries get the population addicted to toxic food-like substances and poison the population so that Big Pharma can then barely keep them alive but not cure them so as to make maximum money off them…

This is what rfk jr is wanting to change in the US and why trump has nominated him to be secretary of the HHS but this is also why the lobbyists and their agents in the media are now trying to make him look like a vaccine e denier (despite the fact that he and his kids are all vaxxed) and saying he isn’t qualified (despite the current secretary of the hhs also not being medically qualified either) as a pretext not to get him confirmed congressionally ..

DavecUK
Agreed fully on thr massive cull of the civil service being needee. The creation of a vast bureaucracy is the power center of how elites control the population and suborn a big part of that population to serve their interests by making their interests aligned with theirs (though they get only a sliver of what the elites get). The same thing is done by the dictator who rules north korea concerning the vast north Korean military which is loyal personally to him. Denuding thar civil service will also gut the belly of the beast in that sense. Brexit only freed uk from the Brussels bureaucracy and regained its sovereignty but another Bureaexit is needed to free the UK from its own bureaucracy!

The problem is most of the population want to be taken. Care of and are willing to trade their sovereignty for comfort and security despite the fact that they are given less and less of that comfort and security as time goes and as the elites become more tyrannical and rapacious.

On “proportional representation,” it sounds like you want the rule of the majority and the overall popular vote. The problem with this system is that it allows then the tyranny of the overall majority over the overwll minority - even if tbe overall uk majority was just a tiny one eg 50.1 per cent.
That wouldn’t be a fair system nor truly democratic one - especiaply where so many of the citizenry are so easily manipulated and brainwashed by the mainstream media that is almost wholly and virulently leftist.and pro-establishment.

In that sense the current system is fairer because in a particular constituency, each party must actually get the majority in that constituency to win it, and the party with the most constituencies won, wins the general election and gets fo choose the prime minister from among those members of parliament in their party.
I think there is however something wrong in the UK system where reform party can win so much of the popular vote but so few seats. Perhaps the issue is rather the gerrymandering of electoral boundaries?

BrendaninBrooklyn
DavecUK

There is at least more hope for usa now than for the UK or Europe because for the first time in a very long time and perhaps ever in the us, there is an administration coming into power that promises to be truly bilateral between the right and left snd liberal and conservative in the intereets of the good of their country. Whether one likes him or not, trump has nominated as his cabinet a line up of candidates who are incentivised to bring radical change to government and given a 2 year target to produce tangible results and solve the issues afflicting the physical health of anericans and the health of its economy, immigration security and foreign policy. The entire cabinet itself has a greater diversity of values than probably ever seen before in a republican cabinet with many of its objectives traditionally belonging to classical left viewpoints. So the aspirations of many here who are sick of right vs left can draw hope from that development, and hopefully other nations like the UK and Australia will follow suit soon.

Dusk
Coalition governments are usually compromises that end up achieving little and fail to address endemic issues at all by virtue of its political weakness. What is needed is a popular movement of the best kind of nationalism that transcends any one political psrty and thar seeks the good of the country and not of oneself, to adapt from jfk’s most famous words and which finally recognises that the real enemy are the entrenched elites and tbe power structure they have built parasitically to hijack institutions to serve them and perpetuate their stranglehold on power and wealth. Only then can leaders be set free from ideology to be able to pragmatically address those issues with bilateral approaches and solutions. That is what has happened in the US with the America First/MAGA movement amd that happened in the UK with brexit but which was hijacked and frustrated by the conservatives but that promises to be revived with what is now happening with the reform party and tommy Robinson etc.

BrendaninBrooklyn
If u r referring to trump’s convictions and suits against him leading up to the election, all those are very clearly charges and suits literally trumped up to try to prejudice him in rhe eyes of voters in a orchestrated lawfare campaign. The charges were unprecedented and nobody had ever been charged eith tbag kind of offence before which was tailored specificallt for trump. The conviction may not evne need to go to the supreme court to he reversed because the New York appellate court has already expressed skepticism to the prosecutor over the nature of their case.

On the contrary trump’s earlier 4 year term demonstrated a thriving economy, lows in illegal immigration crossings, and the absence of any lawfare against hillary clinton…so contrary to how the mainstream media like to portay him, rhe country did well.under his administration and democracy did just fine.

In any event this will be trump’s last term and so he will be out to establish his legacy and that is evidenced most clearly by how he has made July 4, 2026 (the 250th anniversary of independence) a target to show tangible results for most of the reforms he is bringing through the nominees for his cabinet. So he is clearly motivated to deliver real change this time unlike the first term which he has said he did not expect to win and was actually caught by surprise when he did win, and at the time he did not know anyone in Washington dc who was able to fill the cabinet positions and he relied on the advice of lobbyists to put many dubious establishment figures in as a result.