Cuprajake
On UK getting destroyed, one big part of it is the general increasing lawlessness and the over permisiveness that is facilitating it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/27/netflix-star-caught-smuggling-drugs-worth-150k-into-uk/

This person didn’t even have to serve any jail time and she was trying to smuggle in 40 kg of a banned narcotic. 40 kilograms! One may be mistaken about being tricked to be a mule for 400g or 4kg even but 40 kg!!! Basically almost as heavy as she probably is! The absurdity of this is that had Thai immigration or customs or airport officials discovered the contents of her suitcases while she was still in Thailand, she would have been facing not only imprisonment but the death penalty…I am not saying uk should have the death sentence for such offences but the answer is certainly not this kind of patting of the wrist and saying there, there…

Milko
Which of their policies would be hard right of thatcher? Labour still seems not only left to me but leftist…
https://www.afr.com/world/europe/more-housing-fewer-aristocrats-starmer-lays-out-left-wing-vision-20240717-p5ju9v

Though as I said above, tbe labelling of the party as left or right nowadays isn’t as important as the key question of whether they are actually entrenching and defending and proseuting the interests of the establishment and the elites who control power, money and influence today and censoring and shutting down dissent and giving back little but dregs snd crumbs to those outside their orbit. And in that sense Labour certainly qualifies…

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/lovebombed-by-lobbyists-how-starmer-labour-became-the-party-of-big-business/

Cuprajake
The way Big Agri and Big Processed Food industries get the population addicted to toxic food-like substances and poison the population so that Big Pharma can then barely keep them alive but not cure them so as to make maximum money off them…

This is what rfk jr is wanting to change in the US and why trump has nominated him to be secretary of the HHS but this is also why the lobbyists and their agents in the media are now trying to make him look like a vaccine e denier (despite the fact that he and his kids are all vaxxed) and saying he isn’t qualified (despite the current secretary of the hhs also not being medically qualified either) as a pretext not to get him confirmed congressionally ..

DavecUK
Agreed fully on thr massive cull of the civil service being needee. The creation of a vast bureaucracy is the power center of how elites control the population and suborn a big part of that population to serve their interests by making their interests aligned with theirs (though they get only a sliver of what the elites get). The same thing is done by the dictator who rules north korea concerning the vast north Korean military which is loyal personally to him. Denuding thar civil service will also gut the belly of the beast in that sense. Brexit only freed uk from the Brussels bureaucracy and regained its sovereignty but another Bureaexit is needed to free the UK from its own bureaucracy!

The problem is most of the population want to be taken. Care of and are willing to trade their sovereignty for comfort and security despite the fact that they are given less and less of that comfort and security as time goes and as the elites become more tyrannical and rapacious.

On “proportional representation,” it sounds like you want the rule of the majority and the overall popular vote. The problem with this system is that it allows then the tyranny of the overall majority over the overwll minority - even if tbe overall uk majority was just a tiny one eg 50.1 per cent.
That wouldn’t be a fair system nor truly democratic one - especiaply where so many of the citizenry are so easily manipulated and brainwashed by the mainstream media that is almost wholly and virulently leftist.and pro-establishment.

In that sense the current system is fairer because in a particular constituency, each party must actually get the majority in that constituency to win it, and the party with the most constituencies won, wins the general election and gets fo choose the prime minister from among those members of parliament in their party.
I think there is however something wrong in the UK system where reform party can win so much of the popular vote but so few seats. Perhaps the issue is rather the gerrymandering of electoral boundaries?

Thing is you say any of this and you get discredited and called a conspiracy but job

Doesn’t take a genius to work out there’s something wrong when you can buy 30 packets of crisps for £3 or 10 strawberrys for the £3

As a small business owner were pushed to breaking point my energy costs have gone from £450 per month to over £1500 the constant wage increases mean we have to find £10k plus extra a year, just to break even, do the government not realise the more they put stuff up the less we can do,

£2 per hour extra for 18-21 who are the backbone of the likes of Asda, so what will happen to food prices, pretty certain that Mr ASDS ain’t taking the hit in profit!!

What makes my piss boil is when Lidl say they made £11bill on last yr which was a high inflation year, they are taking the Mick. Yet the Westminster bubble are clueless because they are subsidies

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DavecUK I totally concur with your opinion on this. I have often added a box to my voting paper for the “None Of The Above Party” and crossed that. My opinion is that all politicians are out of the same mold, its only the colour of their tie that changes.

    Nightrider_1uk I totally concur with your opinion on this. I have often added a box to my voting paper for the “None Of The Above Party” and crossed that. My opinion is that all politicians are out of the same mold, its only the colour of their tie that changes.

    I think one of the biggest problems in our system of government and politics is this labelling of right, left, green etc. each party having it’s creed and mantra to follow which shapes their policies. It’s not the way to run a country. We need to loose these labels and thinking and move to legal manifestos so parties can start to govern for the good of the country and people in it…not ideological alignments.

    Instead we have all parties opposing the ideas of all other parties, it’s a nonsense.

      its not really for the good of the people though, never has been its us and them

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      DavecUK

      We effectively have two party politics, there are certainly some countries where coalition governments are the norm and they do much better than us but I think our political system is too ingrained to see anything like that working here.

        DavecUK

        I’ve told my extreme family and friends for years – a healthy society includes both liberal and conservative viewpoints. Both are necessary. And what matters is what is good for the society – not the party. Sadly, the USA has lost this awareness. The actual problems that need solving are largely buried beneath party rhethoric. Mercutio was right.

          BrendaninBrooklyn
          DavecUK

          There is at least more hope for usa now than for the UK or Europe because for the first time in a very long time and perhaps ever in the us, there is an administration coming into power that promises to be truly bilateral between the right and left snd liberal and conservative in the intereets of the good of their country. Whether one likes him or not, trump has nominated as his cabinet a line up of candidates who are incentivised to bring radical change to government and given a 2 year target to produce tangible results and solve the issues afflicting the physical health of anericans and the health of its economy, immigration security and foreign policy. The entire cabinet itself has a greater diversity of values than probably ever seen before in a republican cabinet with many of its objectives traditionally belonging to classical left viewpoints. So the aspirations of many here who are sick of right vs left can draw hope from that development, and hopefully other nations like the UK and Australia will follow suit soon.

            Dusk
            Coalition governments are usually compromises that end up achieving little and fail to address endemic issues at all by virtue of its political weakness. What is needed is a popular movement of the best kind of nationalism that transcends any one political psrty and thar seeks the good of the country and not of oneself, to adapt from jfk’s most famous words and which finally recognises that the real enemy are the entrenched elites and tbe power structure they have built parasitically to hijack institutions to serve them and perpetuate their stranglehold on power and wealth. Only then can leaders be set free from ideology to be able to pragmatically address those issues with bilateral approaches and solutions. That is what has happened in the US with the America First/MAGA movement amd that happened in the UK with brexit but which was hijacked and frustrated by the conservatives but that promises to be revived with what is now happening with the reform party and tommy Robinson etc.

            chlorox While this sounds good, Trump’s history makes the reality doubtful. It really doesn’t help that he has repeatedly shown no respect for law and encouraged lawless behavior in others. There’s more that can be said but let time tell.

              BrendaninBrooklyn Spoken as a true Democrat…….LOL. It is funny how from taking office in 2016, the allegations started immediately, yet none of them stuck, unless you count that most dubious of claims of sexual assualt in a changing cubicle. The Democrats knew that in this election they would not get away with the shenanigans of the last, so went on the personal attack and look where that got them. They forced sleepy Joe out with not enough time to put cancidates through an electoral system. This meant all hopes were pinned on Kamala…..I think the world has had a very lucky escape!

                BrendaninBrooklyn
                If u r referring to trump’s convictions and suits against him leading up to the election, all those are very clearly charges and suits literally trumped up to try to prejudice him in rhe eyes of voters in a orchestrated lawfare campaign. The charges were unprecedented and nobody had ever been charged eith tbag kind of offence before which was tailored specificallt for trump. The conviction may not evne need to go to the supreme court to he reversed because the New York appellate court has already expressed skepticism to the prosecutor over the nature of their case.

                On the contrary trump’s earlier 4 year term demonstrated a thriving economy, lows in illegal immigration crossings, and the absence of any lawfare against hillary clinton…so contrary to how the mainstream media like to portay him, rhe country did well.under his administration and democracy did just fine.

                In any event this will be trump’s last term and so he will be out to establish his legacy and that is evidenced most clearly by how he has made July 4, 2026 (the 250th anniversary of independence) a target to show tangible results for most of the reforms he is bringing through the nominees for his cabinet. So he is clearly motivated to deliver real change this time unlike the first term which he has said he did not expect to win and was actually caught by surprise when he did win, and at the time he did not know anyone in Washington dc who was able to fill the cabinet positions and he relied on the advice of lobbyists to put many dubious establishment figures in as a result.

                  chlorox In any event this will be trump’s last term and so he will be out to establish his legacy

                  this I think is a key factor in how he will approach his last presidency and potentially legacy. I think he would want to be remembered well.

                  its just nice to see someone put the little guy first,

                  they hate trump because hes not one of them, yes he has flaws hes a business man, but it shows how scared they are of him with the amount of stuff they have tried to pin on him

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                  dfk41

                  You know nothing about me. I am not a Democrat, now you know something.

                  Trump’s history includes four bankruptcies; a fifth was avoided by becoming President and selling memberships to his club in Florida. He has a long string of dubious and unsuccessful ventures. Not exactly stellar acumen and leadership. BTW bankruptcy is a form of welfare; someone else gets stuck footing the bill.

                  He pledged to protect the Constitution and instead encouraged sedition. Lots more could be said and much has been proven.

                  He says the “right” things. There are real problems that need real solutions ASAP. I’ll warm up if I ever see any actual positive accomplishments instead of personal enrichment by Trump and his family.

                    chlorox

                    I’m certain your intention is good; you are missing major parts of the picture. Watch Russia and the entire Pacific closely.

                    If Trump turns out to be a positive for the USA and the globe, I’ll loudly cheer him on. However, I expect he is a larger hot-air balloon than the Hindenberg; not a man of substance.

                      BrendaninBrooklyn You know nothing about me. I am not a Democrat, now you know something.

                      True, you do not have to be a Democrat to be a Trump hater. If you really believe, beyond convenience, the rhetoric surrounding Trump, the allegations and faux charges, then that is your opinion and I respect that, in exactly the same way as you respect my opinion that it is just a good example of the nasty way the left do things