https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tn84Gp_xcQ Any thoughts? How would you use the new function? @"DavecUK"#1 is there any way you could test the new V3 of the Bianca?

Thats a very good feature to add, wonder if rrp will be effected.

@"RobertRo101"#p9667 I've been using the V3 for almost a year now…low flow works well. Especially good if you don't want to move the paddle..It was one of my favourite new things on Bianca. For the upgrade you would need a new LCC, some wiring and the additional solenoid with a slight plumbing change.

@"DavecUK"#p9673 I was certain that you would have had this verision already:) can you share any info if you are going to update the Bianca review on your website or post a video about some testing with the new future? Are there any more updates we can expect?

> @"RobertRo101"#p9674 update the Bianca review on your website or post a video about some testing with the new future? Are there any more updates we can expect? The Bianca Review is a version 1, so quite old now. I may well update it…essentially the machine is unchanged except for the addition of the new features. I may have a few extra features the production version doesn't have, and my solenoid is slightly different (they are sending me a replacement, if I get any problems with mine)… I was originally sent it to try it and see if there were any problems…which there were not…it wall worked very well. I don't think I have a manual, but I will download the production manual as my version a year ago has something else I won't mention, until I find out if it was in the production version. I suspect my software might not be exactly the same version, but again until you guys by one and if the software version is on the back of the LCC I won't know…plus mine could still have been a reflashed LCC. I have to be very careful when commenting on pre production stuff so early in the chain. Really like the version 3 though, as compared to the version 1, lots of features were new….and I do need to update my version 1 to a version 2.

This is why, despite my recent challenges, I really love the Bianca (and Lelit). I have been toying with updating to LCC 2. I may hang fire and update to LCC v3 though, with my new found boldness for tinkering with the machine 😉

The Low flow used in conjunction with PI seems to be a good combination. Dave, have you been using just the low flow or do you always use the PI with it ?

Really great feature. It basically mirrors the profile I use 99% of the time so it’s handy to be able to automate it. It’s also really awesome to see Lelit iterating on what is already a fantastic machine. It’s impressive how quickly the group head pressure changes when the low flow kicks in.

this is awesome. i'll get an upgrade kit when its available.

Its a good option, not sure id rip my machine apart for it, but its a good out the box incentive to buy the v3 over a competitor

there will hopefully be some other upgrades that the new LCC bring that are worthwhile.

Lelit Bianca V3

Gagaryn

Boren ctrl f

coffeealex

Boren

Boren Is there any conclusion as to whether low flow mode improves pre-infusion compared to regular flow? If not, when do you use low flow mode?

At the end of the day it is all a matter of preference and taste. If using just preinfusion works ok then that is fine. If preinfusion with low flow improves in your opinion the extraction that is also fine. I don’t think there is a hard and fast rule, to what is best as ultimately it’s what your taste buds prefer. Lelit introduced low flow to improve repeatability of shots so that if the formula is preferable for your coffee/ grind you can repeat it with more accuracy via the pid.

DavecUK

Boren Is there any conclusion as to whether low flow mode improves pre-infusion compared to regular flow? If not, when do you use low flow mode?

I used low flow in a few ways on mine.

Set machine to 9 bar approx on the paddle and then allow low and high flow phases to produce a profile, without having to move the paddle. It was a little like GSP (Gradual soft preinfusion) on the Crem 1 2B LFPP
Or do a complete low flow shot.

MediumRoastSteam

Question: Is there any justifiable reason (apart from supply/demand) that the Bianca in black/white powder coating is £600 more expensive than the box standard version of stainless steel?

Does it cost that much more to produce a powder coated version?

I checked on Bella Barista and 30 coffee. The price difference is equivalent.

Cuprajake

yeah i think its crazy too - also from watching a vid online they have now buried the temp adjust inside the lcc - so you cant just adjust brew temp with one press

Ernie1

£600 for powder coat??!!

I’m not sure if there’s a special finish or anything required for food safe coatings but based on how much it costs to get motorbike parts powdered, £600 for a unit that size seems like a lot.

Personal preference but I still think the chrome version looks infinitely better.

dutchy101

Ernie1 Personal preference but I still think the chrome version looks infinitely better.

Agree with this. Conversely I prefer the Minima in black and have one in black, but definitely think the stainless Bianca looks far better than the black version

KyleT

dutchy101 it’s funny how people like different things, I think e61 stainless steel machines are ugly and genuinely the new painted Biancas are the only machines to make me consider an e61 machine.

Ernie1

I think the modern shape of the Minima helps the colours work. I agree it looks good.

The GS3 works as an E61 style in colours too as it’s a modern take.

But the Bianca is so otherwise classically styled, it feels like it belongs in stainless/chrome.

I get why they’ve probably done it though, presumably to appeal the to YouTubers and Instagrammers with their fancy neon lights and shallow depth of field shots. And they’re the ones who can afford the £600 premium 😂

lancehedrick

@DavecUK hey! I have been temp testing the Bianca v3 for two days. Is it your experience there is a consistent 4 degree offset between brew boiler and what comes out? I’d imagine that’s about right since PID is in the boiler and nothing reading at the group. Additionally, how have you found the temp offset function to work? I can’t get it to show any substantial change. I even added 25C to see if I could get a substantial rise in temp, but to no avail. Is it just that there isn’t enough time even in a 50s shot to increase temp substantially?
I have acheived maybe half a degree increase, but that is what I get around the 25s mark with 0 offset, anyway.

lancehedrick

I just did a few shots at -10 and then at 0 offset. almost identical readings for both over the span of 5 pulls each over 45s. Very curious what you discovered with it

DavecUK

lancehedrick I discovered any change was too late to do anything as most of the water was in the pipes and the group by then.

I do want to do some temperature testing on the black Bianca I heard that was sent to me recently, using mice case to. The problem is that I had a V3 Bianca about a year before it launched so then might have been some small changes between the time I had it and the time it actually launched.

I’m in Italy at the moment, and then preparing for the Rimini exhibition but when I get back I intend to fire up the black Bianca and do some extensive skates 2 testing on it and I’ll report back here.

lancehedrick

DavecUK Ok. I’m curious what you find. I’m still testing because I am filming on it tomorrow. Have had it about 6 months now.
Did you ever check if the mushroom reverted to brass or still SS as you were told earlier? I haven’t bothered to check. Probably will later today (or midnight, as is my MO), but curious if you’d already

Cuprajake

i loved my bianca, great machine

im not a fan of the price up jar on the powder coating mind, i know the handles/knobs are more too but still £600 is a bit

lancehedrick

Cuprajake yeah the listed 500 pound difference is a bit odd. What machine do you have now?

Cuprajake

lancehedrick acs evo leva :)

lancehedrick

DavecUK reading through this thread fully now. Have you persuaded anyone on this? I brought this up (not low, medium, high, but a multiway) to a company. Met with heavy skepticism haha

DavecUK

lancehedrick I’ve though of some better ways to do things around preinfusion, Lelit can keep the low/hi flow and add a variable preinfusion pressure. I just need to let Mauro know how, then see if he buys into it.

MediumRoastSteam

Looks like Lance has done a review on the Bianca V3:

One thing that caught my attention was that the machine, despite its accelerated heating up technique, still requires about 30 minutes to stabilise, contrary to some claims that the Bianca only takes 15 minutes be ready to pull a shot. (I remember discussions of this in this forum but the search functionality is close to useless, unfortunately).

The other thing which caught my attention was that the difference the brew boiler temperature and the group temperature (the offset) is only approx 5 degrees. I always thought it would be around 10 or 15!

And lastly, he seems to think the E61 is not great for brewing very light roasts at higher temperatures, like 96C or so.

And at the end he goes about how easy it is to adjust the OPV from underneath the machine. Unless that has changed considerably in the very recent machines, the Expansion Valve (aka: OPV) is adjustable from the top of the machine, and you need to remove the top lid to do so. What he is referring to is the rotary pump bypass, so a bit of confusion there on his part.

And no, I don’t comment on youtube videos. :-)

See Video from Lelit for further explanation:

DavecUK

MediumRoastSteam Don’t worry, I’ll be doing one of my deep dives soon.

Cuprajake

yeah i saw that too and thought the same re the opv/pump change,

not a fan of it in black

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