tompoland PID stands for Proportional Integral Derivative

It’s a way of designing a (temperature - but it could be any other variable) process controller so that the output of the controller is a function of the instant error [i.e. proportional to Current Value - Target], of the error’s derivative [i.e. is the error expected to increase or decrease in the future based on its ‘instant trend’] and the error’s integral [i.e. has the error been increasing or decreasing over a certain time period in the past]. If properly calibrated, it’s significantly better at keeping a process ‘on track’ than a simple ‘on-off’ switch based on whether the Current Value is above or below the Target.

Note that there are at least 4 parameters that define a PID’s setup: the target for the variable under control, and constants for the Proportional, Integral and Derivative ‘parts’ of the error measurement. When @DavecUK says “you can’t adjust the PID settings” he is referring to the parameters other than the target (temperature in the most common case for a coffee machine). These can be important as they may need to be significantly different to provide stable and accurate control from system to system.

If you want the theory, history and maths, this Wikipedia article has probably more than you want to know; if you have any specific questions, do ask!

The manual does list out the pid default parameters and the valori delta values but it does not explain how to change them if desired.

Just in from the Nurri Facebook Group page … may be a timely addition to the thread. No idea about the legitimacy of this announcement or how one would go about a software upgrade unless it is only for new machines.

Good news!!! The L-TYPE is going to receive a PID software upgrade. This will enable independent PID control parameters over the 3 probes for fine temperature tuning.

    tompoland

    Yes it will, or at least that was my understanding. Not sure how the patch can be downloaded onto the machine though - maybe the dealer will do it? Best ask Antonio…

      BTW how do I add the tag line at the bottom of my posts that many members have listing out their equipment?

      As well, Nurri is working on doing a retrofit for the port at the back of the machine that the user can use a screwdriver to control the pump with. This was a change that came a s a result of my suggestions to him on an easier way to control the pump than fiddling with a screwdriver. He is going to replace it with a control dial. It is still in the process.

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        chlorox I’d be surprised if the PID controller didn’t have a USB or other port to enable firmware upgrades. Whether that’s ‘user-friendly’ enough to be doable by the average consumer… different question. I’m surprised that it enables different parameters for different probes, though, as that was a question that I asked ‘way back when’, and it was answered in the negative.

          New update on the coffeesnobs forum - casa espresso has announced that an Improved lever to pump mechanism / activation retrofit kit will be sent to them by nurri on their next shipment. I recall my own dealer telling me that Antonio was working on it when he delivered my machine so I’m keen to see how the new retrofit improves the mechanism and the operation.

            chlorox did you order the wooden paddle covers? I was surprised they were not included by default given that promotional images had them displayed.

              tompoland

              I assumed the paddle covers would have been included in the order also but they were not supplied. I understand it is now available as an option. Are you getting those wooden covers? I understand from a post on coffee snobs forum I belirve that they are to be secured with double sided tape which doesn’t seem to be that secure. Originally I wanted the wooden covers but I am not sure whether I want them anymore as I have gotten quits used to the bare steel paddles.

                chlorox yes I’ve ordered them. AU$120.

                Yes it’s double sided tape which sounds a bit meh to me.

                But I guess if the tape is thin enough and custom cut to the exact shape, they may be OK. I’ll let you know.

                  Reminds me of the carbon fibre stick on dsg paddles for the golfs haha tbf they stick well

                  Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                    Cuprajake

                    Those were stuck on with double sided tape too? I didn’t know that - that’s pretty high volume use and I’m.surprised it would hold up under that sort of workload!

                      tompoland

                      Are you ordering them for your machine ? If so, if you find they work well, i may just order them for myself too…