@"DavecUK"#p12737 Thanks Dave.. interesting because it occurrs to me the Vesuvius plus a bluetooth connection and the right programming would be the perfect synthesis of build quality (ECM) innovation (Decent) all wrapped in a traditional E61 style body. Can you convince @"Paolo_Cortese"#90 to update it? I love mine, which I bought second hand largely on the basis of your reviews; its taken me a year but I think I've finally got the hang of it!

@"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 I'd put an order in for one of those!

> @"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 Can you convince [@Paolo_Cortese](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/Paolo_Cortese) to update it? It would mean losing that lovely old, but proven super reliable main board…..

hi, could some one with a vesuvius with the wood/metal handle please email off my sig

I have a wooden handled bottomless pf (generic) that I bought for my Elizabeth then a barista pro IMS basket in it. Will this IMS basket fit the supplied bottomless pf that comes with the Vesuvius?

So, my Vesuvius arrived today. I didn’t want to start another thread and this looked like the most appropriate place to discuss my first day! It left Italy last Friday and arrived in my house today - 6 days, yipee! Mine was definitely used, the plastic was gone from it, there was dirt here and there, spilled water underneath the water tank and for some reason the pipes going onto the tank had a black residue of some sort on parts of them. The panel on top of the machine, where the cup test sits is pretty badly finished with dirty plastic covering it but doesn’t bother me. I didn’t pay for a brand new machine I guess!! Assembling was easy as the provided guide is comprehensive (remember the first thing you do is unscrew the four screws on the top of the side panels, no hammer or anything required) The Teflon furniture gliders I pre purchased are perfect for moving it around on the counter top. A bag of felt pads come with the machine. I put 1L through the group 200ml at a time with at least 15 seconds in between. I then emptied the service boiler twice as per manual. I noticed the shower screen had coffee on it so I soaked that in puly caff and gave a good wash. At this stage I only had time to pull 4 shots as I had to leave! I was close to dialled in by the fourth albeit a bit long but I took it with me in the car- I have to say it was very very nice. So I look forward to playing with it tomorrow. I thought I had a dodgy touch screen as it didn’t seem to respond some times but apparently there are different delay times for different choices on it.. phew..! Looks a stunning machine on the counter and I love the almost totally silent pump. I thought the water reservoir wasn’t the best design but I think I’ll get used to it and won’t have to be refilling it so often when I’m not flushing the system through and just using it to make coffee! It really is a different operation to the Elizabeth but I don’t think it will take long to get used to it. So, I can’t wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow

[upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/cumOEwk.jpeg] I use this type of oil can to fill any of my machines with water.

@"DavecUK"#p13617 I ordered this one by someone’s recommendation on here: https://www.toolstation.com/laser-plastic-measuring-jug/p20428 Seems really ok although the spout is not very flexible

@"DavecUK"#p13617 [URL=https://i.imgur.com/U0mYj3V.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/U0mYj3V.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"prezes"#p13619 mines very similar and probably on something from nu-man, the image I found seems to have brewers droop.

I used a plastic 2 litre water bottle today!

Vesuvius Pressure Profiling Machine - General Discussion

John_Yossarian

caffeineus_impervious You will get there 🙂

DavecUK

Giphy - Grandpa Marvin Marsh Pulling Hair GIF by South Park

John_Yossarian

DavecUK ???

DavecUK

John_Yossarian Well the complaint is no water comes from the group when I lift the lever….if water comes out the top nut when he lift the lever, then the blockage is in the group jet….is all I’m trying to find out (and of course is the pump seemingly running OK. I’m trying really hard to help.

caffeineus_impervious

DavecUK

Water comes out of the top of the group.

what can we deduce from this?

DavecUK

You said the water isn’t coming out of the group (shower screen area), so the group jet must be blocked, or less likely the top brew valve isn’t being lifted. Remove the group jet and check for a blockage.

http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/the-mystery-of-the-e61-group-mushroom

caffeineus_impervious

DavecUK So I should be able to stick a needle through it?

audiomacgyver

DavecUK

Thanks for the help this far!

I only get a little bit of time to experiment late at night

I removed top, side, and back covers as well as the bottom access cover. Battery in multi meter is dead and batteries are in the office / babies room so will have to wait until tomorrow to check pump supply and control voltages

I get the same result regardless of the position of the green switch (plumbed / tanked operation). There is no change in result if I change the position of the group lever. Same result as in, I still get the error. I’ll upload a video with the switch on both positions in case it helps your failure analysis. Likely tomorrow

The water was moving around in the last video as I had just placed the tank back into place after inspecting the position of the fill tubes. There have been other attempts when the water is still.

I have the water sensor that has the float inside the tank. I can get it to flag a low water warning if I place it down prior to powering on the machine if I let go and let it return to rest, the low water flag goes away

Tomorrow I’ll put my multimeter on the 5v control line and grab a video. I’ll also grab a video with the water supply switch in both positions and pulling up the group lever in case there is something to be learned I think I might hear the pump turn on but very very weak. I’m curious if I will see a rise in control voltage when I hear that sound.

I’ll try to get to more tonight, but might be busy with work.

Is the fill error calling out a boiler fill issue or tank fill issue?

Thanks!

DavecUK

audiomacgyver Fill error is probably for the service boiler not filling in the specified time. It’s configurable, but I think set for 90s. If the transformers OK and sending DC volts to the pump, then there is a possibility the magnet is completely gone, although normally you would hear something. It’s pretty much impossible for all the magnetism to drain away.

Any click you hear will be solenoids…not the pump.

caffeineus_impervious

Ignore that. I’ve popped a pin through and can see light through it. It’s back together and warming up. Let’s see what happens!

caffeineus_impervious

No joy I’m afraid. Any other suggestions?

DavecUK

caffeineus_impervious No joy I’m afraid. Any other suggestions?

You know water is getting to the group…if the gicleur is free and the machine is making pressure (on the panel), with no water coming through the group….then the only logical conclusion is that the brew valve isn’t opening. you have not removed the cam for lubrication just before this happened perchance?

audiomacgyver

DavecUK

24.79 VDC on the power lines

4.65VDC control line to ground with the lever up.

When I first power up the machine I also see that voltage on the control line even if lever is down, so it would seem the machine is properly calling for the pump to turn on. I did see the control voltage go to zero with the lever down after a period of time, but don’t recall how long.

I’ll work to get some videos with less background noise in the next day or so.

I had a little time to experiment. One test run today was different. I was able to get the machine to come up to temp and avoid the fill error for a few mins. I was able to initiate a shot with a blind basket pressure went to something very low ~ 0.3 bar. I was able to get out hot water and some steam, but not properly powerful. After that I did get the fill up error again consistently.

caffeineus_impervious

DavecUK

No. Only had the machine 3 weeks before this started happening. Never touched the group.

DavecUK

caffeineus_impervious No. Only had the machine 3 weeks before this started happening. Never touched the group.

Is it new?

Will the machine make 9 bar whilst no water is flowing?

caffeineus_impervious

Yes, and yes!

DavecUK

OK lets rewind.

new machine
machine makes 9 bar
no water flows from group
no splits or kinks in pump inlet hose, no blockage
lever feels normal?
remove top group nut run pump water flows OK
gicleur not blocked

result = god knows what’s wrong, water should be coming out the group, unless there is a more fundamental blockage within the E61 group itself, or the top valve isn’t moving.

caffeineus_impervious

I did backlash it with some pulycaf when the problem started occurring and the lever felt stiff for a few runs. But it returned back to normal. I think that’s standard though isn’t it?

What is the gicleur?

It is worth noting that water will run from the shower screen if I loosen the nut at the top of the group head and reduce the pressure. Surely that’s indicative of something?

DavecUK

Gicleur = Italian for jet. The group jet.

CoyoteOldMan

Actually “gicleur” is French - literally “squirter”. The Italian would be “getto”, but if you ask for a ‘getto’ you run the risk of getting one of these:

(don’t know why the coffee machine industry adopted the French term, while carburettor makers kept the Italian…)

DavecUK

audiomacgyver I am sure the pump is running as it pumped water out of the group, so well done for checking but it couldn’t have been the problem.

I think you need to step back and simplify things a bit, otherwise you will disappear up your own trying to solve this problem. As well as performing lots of confusing diagnostics. What seems to have been a simple blockage in the group appears now to be other errors. You are doing diagnostics I have not asked for without a clear idea how the machine works. Lets step back and

First list all the problems (you believe) the machine has for me please. No more diagnostics for now. Then for each problem, I will give you a diagnostic. Ensure the switch is in the position for tanked operation. Please make a note of all your settings including the advanced ones.

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