@"DavecUK"#p12737 Thanks Dave.. interesting because it occurrs to me the Vesuvius plus a bluetooth connection and the right programming would be the perfect synthesis of build quality (ECM) innovation (Decent) all wrapped in a traditional E61 style body. Can you convince @"Paolo_Cortese"#90 to update it? I love mine, which I bought second hand largely on the basis of your reviews; its taken me a year but I think I've finally got the hang of it!

@"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 I'd put an order in for one of those!

> @"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 Can you convince [@Paolo_Cortese](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/Paolo_Cortese) to update it? It would mean losing that lovely old, but proven super reliable main board…..

hi, could some one with a vesuvius with the wood/metal handle please email off my sig

I have a wooden handled bottomless pf (generic) that I bought for my Elizabeth then a barista pro IMS basket in it. Will this IMS basket fit the supplied bottomless pf that comes with the Vesuvius?

So, my Vesuvius arrived today. I didn’t want to start another thread and this looked like the most appropriate place to discuss my first day! It left Italy last Friday and arrived in my house today - 6 days, yipee! Mine was definitely used, the plastic was gone from it, there was dirt here and there, spilled water underneath the water tank and for some reason the pipes going onto the tank had a black residue of some sort on parts of them. The panel on top of the machine, where the cup test sits is pretty badly finished with dirty plastic covering it but doesn’t bother me. I didn’t pay for a brand new machine I guess!! Assembling was easy as the provided guide is comprehensive (remember the first thing you do is unscrew the four screws on the top of the side panels, no hammer or anything required) The Teflon furniture gliders I pre purchased are perfect for moving it around on the counter top. A bag of felt pads come with the machine. I put 1L through the group 200ml at a time with at least 15 seconds in between. I then emptied the service boiler twice as per manual. I noticed the shower screen had coffee on it so I soaked that in puly caff and gave a good wash. At this stage I only had time to pull 4 shots as I had to leave! I was close to dialled in by the fourth albeit a bit long but I took it with me in the car- I have to say it was very very nice. So I look forward to playing with it tomorrow. I thought I had a dodgy touch screen as it didn’t seem to respond some times but apparently there are different delay times for different choices on it.. phew..! Looks a stunning machine on the counter and I love the almost totally silent pump. I thought the water reservoir wasn’t the best design but I think I’ll get used to it and won’t have to be refilling it so often when I’m not flushing the system through and just using it to make coffee! It really is a different operation to the Elizabeth but I don’t think it will take long to get used to it. So, I can’t wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow

[upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/cumOEwk.jpeg] I use this type of oil can to fill any of my machines with water.

@"DavecUK"#p13617 I ordered this one by someone’s recommendation on here: https://www.toolstation.com/laser-plastic-measuring-jug/p20428 Seems really ok although the spout is not very flexible

@"DavecUK"#p13617 [URL=https://i.imgur.com/U0mYj3V.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/U0mYj3V.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"prezes"#p13619 mines very similar and probably on something from nu-man, the image I found seems to have brewers droop.

I used a plastic 2 litre water bottle today!

Vesuvius Pressure Profiling Machine - General Discussion

kautivo

tocateclas i confirm the same there isn’t difference if you use the blind filter or the filter with coffee the pressure follow jumping over set profile 8bar in my case!

Paolo_Cortese

kautivo

blind filter with coffee? no you need to use the standard filter. in any case i need to know when you lift the lever without the pf how long the machine takes before that the water flow out. This test should be made starting from cold machine like first shot.

kautivo

Paolo_Cortese sorry it was a mistake i wanted to say filter with coffee, ok we try to test the first espresso with cold machine.

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese Sure, I can do this test for you. But I use to flush the group, just for one or two seconds, every time I’m making coffee. Over all in the morning when I have the steam boiler on eco mode. I always flush without the pf to wake up the steam boiler and to get sure water is flowing through the group. I have had the same routine for years as I had trouble with the one way valve. When it happens, no water flowing from the group and you try to make coffee, as you know the behaviour of the machine is quite similar but not exactly the same: when I had the brew boiler not completely full because water have gone to the deposit, the pumps starts increasing speed because there is no pressure (as there is no water) and when water arrives to the group is too late for the machine to react and it overshoots. When there is water flowing from the group and steam boiler is very hot, pressure starts building but it stops at the 2 bar mark, pid asks more speed for the pump and when the obstacle breaks is too late and the pump overshoots as well.

kautivo

Paolo_Cortese Dear Paolo, if you read here:

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/596-vesuvius-pressure-profiling-machine-general-discussion/243

And @DavecUK replied:

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/596-vesuvius-pressure-profiling-machine-general-discussion/252

@tocateclas did test 1 year ago about this problem if you need it we repeat the test again but the failure is clear!

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese So… if what you want to discard is water returning from the brew boiler to the water tank, this is not happening now in my machine (who knows tomorrow…). What I did to check this when problem showed up was to put a mark (marker pen) on the water tank at the water level. Next morning, if water level was still at the mark, water flowed normally from the group. If water was above the mark, water takes about 12-15 seconds to flow from the group. It flowed of course when water level reached the mark. How did this problem showed up while making coffee? Pump running fast after lifting the lever and a very big overshooting 15 seconds later!

Paolo_Cortese

kautivo where you are located? i would like to pick the machine and test here because i’m very curious to understand how the steam boiler interact with brewing. surely for the other problem we can fix with an additional one way valve if the one included in the water distributor fail. please email me at p.cortese@elcor.it thanks

kautivo

Paolo_Cortese i’ve sent an email reply us the way for shipping we have the original box from when you sent us the machine in 2018 and in my case january 2019.

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese email sent, thank you

kautivo

Paolo_Cortese hi, the machine is packed i hope a soon solution, i haven’t other machine…let me know if today courier company pick up the package, please.

Regards.

Adrianmsmith

Parts Diagram

is there a parts diagram, manual, exploded view etc for the Vasuvius v10 and also the Evo available.

If so can you please share a link :-)

sorry if im just being stupid (again) and need to learn how to search!!

kautivo

kautivo the machine has been picked up by DHL, next monday it flies to Italy, please keeping us updated.

Thanks!

kautivo

kautivo news about my Vesuvius machine it follows in Acs factory, they are checking the problem with the jumping pressure on profile configurated, we hope a final solution!

Regards!

slidingmike

I just opened up the mushroom at the top of my Vesuvius (circa 2020) grouphead to inspect it, and it’s filled with tiny metal flakes suspended in water. It looks like glitter. It makes me queasy to think that I’ve been drinking this! Any ideas on what might be causing it and how to approach solving it?

DavecUK

slidingmike I just opened up the mushroom at the top of my Vesuvius (circa 2020) grouphead to inspect it, and it’s filled with tiny metal flakes suspended in water. It looks like glitter. It makes me queasy to think that I’ve been drinking this! Any ideas on what might be causing it and how to approach solving it?

It won’t have hurt you, the coffee will have filtered any bits out…but just use one of those decorating sponges with wet and dry paper stuck on them…get a fine medium. Worth the medium around the mushroom to remove anoy loose chrome and finish with fine.

This happens on most machines and can be caused by descaling attacking the chrome, or even the type of water used.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK This happens on most machines and can be caused by descaling attacking the chrome, or even the type of water used

slidingmike Any ideas on what might be causing it and how to approach solving it?

Prevention is better than remedial action: if descaling was the culprit, consider using water which does not scale, thus avoiding the descale process all together. Plenty of threads related to water in this forum.

Adrianmsmith

slidingmike

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK

the above is timely for my issue……..

I recently purchased a vesuvius (circa 5 years old ) . It is V10.

it stood for 10 days or so prior to me plugging in (as id been using the (also recently purchased Evo - which is fine)

so i ran some water through the brew boiler and tasted it . It was like concentrated iron - as a best guess, struggling to describe it. Rather killed the excitement some what!!

this is a top wiew of a glass of water.

Absolutely rank. ran some more in to a glass and it had black bits and silver glitter in it as described be slidingmike.

havent made and coffee yet in it! ordered some descaler which should arrive today.

But, to taste this bad (you could not drink it) any guess as to what may be corroding etc. could the element be an issue. im away from sunday to friday but thinking should i strip the brew boiler or try a descale.

Any advice please appreciated.

if i strip the boiler i guess id replace the element in any case. are there any uk suppliers or am i best to just order direct from ACS?

Im new to ACS - been using ecm synchronika for a couple of years and that was my first “real” machine.

I am ok doing and electrical, mechanical work so any advice specific to the V appreciated.

Also - Does anyone have a link to a full parts diagram of the V or the Evo please?

Thanks

MediumRoastSteam

Adrianmsmith - you need to find out what’s causing it first.

Is the group clean? Has it been backflushed recently? How do you know they aren’t coffee grounds? Have you inspected the mushroom to see if there not flaking off?

What makes you so certain the boiler or heating elements are the problem?

Feels to me you are not being pragmatic in your approach and instead are jumping to conclusions.

One step at the time and start from what is easily accessible to you first.

Not sure why you would even contemplate a descale at this stage given what’s been said on the previous posts.

Find the problem first, and, once known and understood, work on the solution. 👍 good luck!

DavecUK

Adrianmsmith But, to taste this bad (you could not drink it) any guess as to what may be corroding etc. could the element be an issue. im away from sunday to friday but thinking should i strip the brew boiler or try a descale.

Any advice please appreciated.

if i strip the boiler i guess id replace the element in any case. are there any uk suppliers or am i best to just order direct from ACS?

The Vesuvius boiler is AISI 316L stainless, so cannot be corroding…the heating element is copper (unlike the Evo/Minima which is Incolloy 800) and if it’s been descaled (which yours definitely has been), depending on what was used to descale, and how, then yes, there could be some corrosion of the copper heating element). It’s also why the group mushroom is in the state it is! Fortunately removal of the boiler is an easy job. (I’ve removed it in my own machine.

To completely clear the boiler of anything, I would recommend removal, drain and washout. All of this can be done by removing the heating element. The heating element is sealed in with an O ring (not the usual hard teflon ring). This means it should be easy to remove “but the O’ring will need replacement” 44 mm ID and 3.5mm thick are the exact dimensions for this O ring. A pack of 5 can be purchased from Amazon

Although it should be easy to remove some numpty at the factory had overtightened my Vesuvius one so much that I had to use an impact driver with large socket to remove it…whilst holding it in 1 gloved hand (don’t try and do it with it in the machine). It was also why mine started leaking after 5 years. When I replaced it, it’s simply enough to hand tighten it and then nip it up a fraction of an inch only. This avoids crushing and deforming the O ring.

Check the heating element carefully, clean it if necessary using a washing up sponge with the white surface for non stick pans. try and avoid descaling in future by using good water e.g. Osmio Zero or similar.

Adrianmsmith

MediumRoastSteam

definitely not coffee grounds.

black and silver particles.

never tasted anything like it. extremely strong taste as what is imagine rust to taste like. Water is clear though with the dirt and silver bits in it. Not done anything yet. will strip the mushroom etc.

It cannot be used to make coffee at this stage. cant describe how strong / bad the taste is.

so far have drawn about 3 tank fulls of filtered (brita) water through. The taste is still there but not now as strong

“What makes you so certain the boiler or heating elements are the problem?”

was just a thought not a strong belief.

“Feels to me you are not being pragmatic in your approach and instead are jumping to conclusions.”

no conclusions, asking for advice!

“Is the group clean? Has it been backflushed recently? How do you know they aren’t coffee grounds? Have you inspected the mushroom to see if there not flaking off?”

will inspect the mushroom next job.

thanks

MediumRoastSteam

Adrianmsmith so far have drawn about 3 tank fulls of filtered (brita) water through.

The V, I think, has draining valves at the bottom of the boiler. I might be wrong. If they are there, might be worthwhile draining through that (rather than the group) and sample the water from each boiler. That might give you further clues to what the problem might be. 👍 keep us posted.

Edit: a quick search shows me the V has a drain valve on the service boiler, but not on the brew boiler. Strange… but worth a check in case that has changed.

Adrianmsmith

MediumRoastSteam

thanks, will take a look in to theat.

i had forgot to add previously - the steam boiler seems to be good. water tastes ok from that, so have turned it off whilst i investigate further.

bad timing on my part when i purchased as im in the middle of a busy 3 weeks.

would never normally buy 2 machines at the same time but there were both there calling out"!!

update:

im now thinking a back flush would not quite be enough 😝

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