@"DavecUK"#p12737 Thanks Dave.. interesting because it occurrs to me the Vesuvius plus a bluetooth connection and the right programming would be the perfect synthesis of build quality (ECM) innovation (Decent) all wrapped in a traditional E61 style body. Can you convince @"Paolo_Cortese"#90 to update it? I love mine, which I bought second hand largely on the basis of your reviews; its taken me a year but I think I've finally got the hang of it!

@"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 I'd put an order in for one of those!

> @"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 Can you convince [@Paolo_Cortese](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/Paolo_Cortese) to update it? It would mean losing that lovely old, but proven super reliable main board…..

hi, could some one with a vesuvius with the wood/metal handle please email off my sig

I have a wooden handled bottomless pf (generic) that I bought for my Elizabeth then a barista pro IMS basket in it. Will this IMS basket fit the supplied bottomless pf that comes with the Vesuvius?

So, my Vesuvius arrived today. I didn’t want to start another thread and this looked like the most appropriate place to discuss my first day! It left Italy last Friday and arrived in my house today - 6 days, yipee! Mine was definitely used, the plastic was gone from it, there was dirt here and there, spilled water underneath the water tank and for some reason the pipes going onto the tank had a black residue of some sort on parts of them. The panel on top of the machine, where the cup test sits is pretty badly finished with dirty plastic covering it but doesn’t bother me. I didn’t pay for a brand new machine I guess!! Assembling was easy as the provided guide is comprehensive (remember the first thing you do is unscrew the four screws on the top of the side panels, no hammer or anything required) The Teflon furniture gliders I pre purchased are perfect for moving it around on the counter top. A bag of felt pads come with the machine. I put 1L through the group 200ml at a time with at least 15 seconds in between. I then emptied the service boiler twice as per manual. I noticed the shower screen had coffee on it so I soaked that in puly caff and gave a good wash. At this stage I only had time to pull 4 shots as I had to leave! I was close to dialled in by the fourth albeit a bit long but I took it with me in the car- I have to say it was very very nice. So I look forward to playing with it tomorrow. I thought I had a dodgy touch screen as it didn’t seem to respond some times but apparently there are different delay times for different choices on it.. phew..! Looks a stunning machine on the counter and I love the almost totally silent pump. I thought the water reservoir wasn’t the best design but I think I’ll get used to it and won’t have to be refilling it so often when I’m not flushing the system through and just using it to make coffee! It really is a different operation to the Elizabeth but I don’t think it will take long to get used to it. So, I can’t wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow

[upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/cumOEwk.jpeg] I use this type of oil can to fill any of my machines with water.

@"DavecUK"#p13617 I ordered this one by someone’s recommendation on here: https://www.toolstation.com/laser-plastic-measuring-jug/p20428 Seems really ok although the spout is not very flexible

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@"prezes"#p13619 mines very similar and probably on something from nu-man, the image I found seems to have brewers droop.

I used a plastic 2 litre water bottle today!

Vesuvius Pressure Profiling Machine - General Discussion

in this two video i suppose that you are using a blind filter right? in the first video at 130C the pf was empty right? in the second video at 120C did you remove the pf or you left full of water?

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese ciao Paolo, it’s been two years from these videos… Yes, blind filter in both but behaviour is the same with coffee. Not sure about having take the pf out but I think the 120º was recorded first. Anyway… It’s the same with coffee at these two temperature settings. I would film this again but unfortunately my manometer is gone… It broke while making coffee last month.

Paolo_Cortese

tocateclas

the two boilers are indipendent and there is no way that the pressure in the steam boiler can affect the pressure in the brew boiler or it means that there is a hole in the HX in the steam boiler, but if this is the case when you make a shot the water should fill completely the steam boiler and flow out from the safety valve.

about the problem of the water that go back to the tank, surely the one way valve not close as it should for different reasons and if now disappear it means that there is probably some salt in the circuit.

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese Yes, we talked about the HX two years ago. The steam boiler is not filled completely with water, hx shouldn’t be broken.

I don’t know how but I’m 100% sure steam pressure is affecting the brew circuit. I can not explain from where or how but it’s happening for a long time. Steam boiler off the machine runs smoothly. Steam boiler under pressure, tha machine does not run smoothly. I’m sure is a “physical” thing and no an electric issue because once the coffee profile “breaks” this 2 bar obstacle, it will be fine in the next shot without cooling down the service boiler. A friend lives nearby and I can tell his machine does exactly the same:

Steam boiler hot, above 125-126º. Pull a shot and it stops at two bars, pump struggles and overshooting happens. Clean pf, grind coffee, tamp, pull a second shot (steam boiler at 128º) and it’s like the 120º video. The pressure builds smoothly up to 2,5 or 3 bars, stay here during preinfussion and goes up to the expected pressure, no overshooting.

I know this can sound strange but believe me, this is what is happening for years with these machines.

Paolo_Cortese

for someone that have a buzzing problem during the brewing it means that the solenoid of the 3 way valve it’s noisy, normally the functionality is the same the only issue is the noise and even if it will gone you can make always a coffee the only difference is that the water from the tank go directly to the brew boiler and not pre heated in the hx.

when you make the test, first of all lift the lever and check if the water flow out from the group.

secondly whe you test the pressure, test always with coffee and not with blind filter,

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese no buzzing in my machine, never.

I always check if water comes from the group, specially at those days when I filmed the videos as water was returning to the deposit frecuently.

I was aware of this pressure behaviour making coffee, of course. Later I use the blind filter and it just replicates the very same thing. No difference using coffee, I wish it just happens with blind filter and works fine making espresso… I think videos from my friend are taken with coffee and not blind filter anyway.

Paolo_Cortese

tocateclas

so please make this test tomorrow from cold, turn on both boilers with steam at 130, than lift the lever witout the pf around 10/15 seconds than put the pf with coffe and try again and let me know if the problem stay there. Thanks

kautivo

tocateclas i confirm the same there isn’t difference if you use the blind filter or the filter with coffee the pressure follow jumping over set profile 8bar in my case!

tocateclas

Paolo_Cortese So… if what you want to discard is water returning from the brew boiler to the water tank, this is not happening now in my machine (who knows tomorrow…). What I did to check this when problem showed up was to put a mark (marker pen) on the water tank at the water level. Next morning, if water level was still at the mark, water flowed normally from the group. If water was above the mark, water takes about 12-15 seconds to flow from the group. It flowed of course when water level reached the mark. How did this problem showed up while making coffee? Pump running fast after lifting the lever and a very big overshooting 15 seconds later!

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