Not sure, if we have a thread for this. I couldn’t find. This is one of my favourite brews. It’s faster, easier and always give a lovely cup - be it @"MWJB"#139’s or Hoffman’s method. Mostly, I use Mark’s as I find the cup is a little cleaner than Hoffman’s. Yesterday, I opened the [Ethiopian Haru Washed](https://www.thomsonscoffee.com/products/ethiopia-haru?_pos=2&_sid=4420db8ae&_ss=r&variant=39311835398231). Pulled a few shots and brewed on Clever. The cups were ok. I wasn’t impressed, given the cup score of 87.25. I bought this as a light roast. It’s a medium light for me. I am drinking a cup from V60 now after brewing this. The dosage details are: 3.9 Jx Pro rotations, 16.3g powder, 272g water and got 237g liquid. I used Mark’s method, 30g every 30s pouring in circles. The each pour lasted 8-11s. The last pour was at the centre. The total time was 5:01 mins. The cup was very clean, light, very smooth, full of citrus flavours and sweet citrus notes, which are Bergamot orange. As a result, there is a little bit of fruity bitterness, which also creeps in disturbing what is otherwise a good bag. I am therefore not a great fan of this bag. If one is brewing this exclusively or drinking it as a long black, it is good as long as one is aware of the tiny fruity bitter aftertaste. It won’t cut with milk! We buy beans, which can be a very good milk-based coffee and also pull a nice brew. I don’t think I will buy this bag again. It is not for us. It was good buy considering I paid about £23 for a KG vs the full price of £33 and has a cup score of 87.25. If you want to buy, please try a smaller bag and see if this is for you.

I do enjoy a V60 from time to time as well.

@"DavecUK"#p15221 How clean, easy and very good the cup has become, thanks to a lot of hard work and contributions by @"MWJB"#139 and Hoffman. I don’t even have to wonder what my grind size is. Just start with the same settings and a few clicks change are all required.

Blackcat El Salvador Los Luchadores with a cup score of 86.5 Mark’s method. 16.4g, 275g water, 4:44 mins, 242g liquid. Cranberry and chocolate after taste for me. Very nice black coffee.

@"MWJB"#139 Thanks to all your research work on various brew types and Hoffman’s on V60, the pour overs have become easier. It’s very difficult to get the brews wrong. Many thanks mate!

Thanks & you're most welcome :-) It warms my heart to see folk getting pleasing brews. When I first started making brewed coffee, pour over seemed seemed unfathomable, driven by luck/beneficial spirits and I, like many others, sought 'safety' in immersion brews, where you could at least dictate brew time & not be reliant on things outside of your control like flow rate. But, as I built a better understanding, I realised that pour over is certainly as predictable & repeatable as any brew method, reasonably quick too. Of course, I still enjoy immersions, but 95% (just a guess) of my brews are pour overs. Sure, I come a little unstuck every now & then, but usually due to trying a new regime/brew weight/grinder or setting.

Can imagine how hard the journey to where you are now would have been. May have taken you months, if not years, of dedicated research and hard work to achieve the expected outcome. Minions like us can now use your template and make a damn good coffee. The beauty is I haven’t seen the need to change my grind settings for different beans. 😊 It hardly requires any major adjustments except a click or two on either side. > @"MWJB"#p16943 Of course, I still enjoy immersions, but 95% (just a guess) of my brews are pour overs. Sure, I come a little unstuck every now & then, but usually due to trying a new regime/brew weight/grinder or setting. We hardly take out our Indian (immersion filter), unless some one gifts a bag of ground coffee. 😂 Many thanks and best of luck for keep pushing the boundaries. Please do post regularly so that we get to read and learn from your brewings. I also think you may want to consider sharing your journey so far on this forum. 😊 Cheers mate!

Blackcat’s Ethiopian medium 20.1g, 335g water, Mark’s method, 284g liquid and 6:02 mins in total. Another balanced, fruity and sweet cup; had a tiny lingering orange bitterness after taste, which I think is the impact of the orange peel. I am grinding coarser than I normally would. I brewed this coffee for the first time. Perhaps, I will grind a tad coarser next time. Clever would be interesting, although I doubt it would make a difference to the cup. https://i.imgur.com/aCaNR9W.jpg Edit : Please ignore the espresso shot.

**Django Santa Ana** Brewed 16g on 270g of boiling water using Marks method. Got 231.3g liquid. The blueberry, mild sweet blackberry and vanilla taste come out clearly. Considering I ground this at the lower end of the pour over range at 3.6 turns on my grinder, it did produce a slight raw fruit bitter after taste; the cup was very good though. There were no silts, although the mild bitterness call for a coarse grind; I wondered if the water was too hot >100C that resulted in bitterness. Perhaps, I will grind at the normal setting of 3.8-3.9 and see. https://imgur.com/a/c4uOhlz

@"MWJB"#139 Given the tasting notes (blueberry, blackberry, vanilla), I thought the bitterness seeps through the grind size. Considering the other person also got it but only at the first sip, could you explain how does it creep in? I can understand notes like Rhubarb, fruit peel, dark chocolate, etc., producing the (sweet) bitterness. I wonder if Anaerobic natural process is contributing to the tiny bitterness. It is tiny sweet bitter. I felt it in the espresso as well. IMO, it doesn’t alter the taste profile, although does brighten up the coffee a bit. Thx mate!

If it's around the first 2 sips and a generic bitterness, it's likely fine particles suspended at the surface of the brew. Sometimes this just comes with the territory and I don't worry too much if the rest of the cup tastes OK. If it isdtracting from your enjoyment & happening all the time, grind a tad coarser and/or tray and agitate less. To me sweet & bitter tend to be poles apart, I understand a mix, but I'm not sure I grasp sweet bitterness?

V60

LMSC

Darkwoods Colombia El Placer Yellow Fruits

What can I say other than rating it as extraordinary!

The usual 15g, 226g water, 3:15 mins, and the score is 8.5/9 at 12% 400 Kruve (11.97%) Passion Fruit, Mango and an excellent sugar finish. Unlike espresso, it did not have any dry or a tart edge.

LMSC

Darkarts Colombia Seven Doors, Natural Anaerobic, Caturra and Typica

15g, 12% 400 Kruve (11.8%), 225.9g water, 3:15 mins and a score of 7.5/9. It is a good coffee with nectarine acidity, smooth, creamy and hints of strawberry. There was a slight bitter / tart taste throughout with a dry finish. This is perhaps due to Quince that taste like citrusy. Not sure, I like the end to end tart/bitter taste. It is too dark for my liking. That’s why I try and stay clear of some very good roasters. I will brew this at 9% Kruve and see.

Another thing to note is the average brew time for 12% Kruve 400 using the green stripe V60 02 has gone down to 3:14 mins to 3:32:19 mins resulting in 18s brew time loss over 5 coffee bags so far. This is a marked difference, less contact time with water, and bound to have some impact on the yield.

LMSC

@MWJB Have you tried brewing V60 02 green strike as 7 pulses than the usual 5 (in the case of 12% 400 Kruve for an example) to check if it compensates the lower EY that you experienced? Like wise, the taste difference?

MWJB

LMSC I haven’t as yet, it didn’t strike me as a solution as the green stripe brews were typically siltier/flatter tasting, so my guess is that I’d also need to co coarser to mitigate this.

LMSC

MWJB green stripe brews were typically siltier/flatter tasting, so my guess is that I’d also need to co coarser to mitigate this.

I do not find the brews siltier. I can’t comment on the relative taste difference as I don’t have the 01 pink and black. I will grab one. Perhaps, I will brew back to back 12% as 5 and 7 pulses and see the relative taste difference.

InfamousTuba

@MWJB Have you tried any of the cafec papers? I think the medium and dark papers tasted better than the light roast when we tested them but that was a while ago

MWJB

InfamousTuba I have tried the dark roast & light roast…not a goer for me, so far (but the light roast are the worst I have tried). The med-dark roast papers appear to be the same as the basic Abaca papers and the boxed pink&black V60 01 (though Hario are being very cagey about any prior connection to Cafec).

So far, I still only use the loose bagged, pink & black 01 white from Japan, no idea if the green stripe loose bagged 01 are any different as, despite ordering some, I just got another pack of pink & black (so got about 150 of these to keep me going).

I’m sure I’ll try the Abaca+ in due course. I need to make some space, I have filters all over the place at the minute.

MWJB

LMSC The flavour is flatter, notes muted, acidity attenuated - these are traits that I’d attribute to tiny particles making it difficult for the tongue to detect notes & acidity.

Just to be clear, though brews are running a tad faster and EY is on average a little lower (less than 0.5%) with the green stripe, I am not convinced that the brew time & subsequent EYs are the main factors in the taste difference.

LMSC

Does anyone know where one could buy Cafetec Abaca+ or abaca filter papers? They aren’t cheap as they cost between £10 and £14 plus £5 postage.

PartySausage

Yeah Cheapest I could find were from Cascara Coffee via Amazon @ £15 all in for the 01 size
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0755CLYT5/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

MWJB

PartySausage You can find 3 boxes (x40) of these 01 filters, or 120 total under the Hario brand, untabbed for £8 to £9+ postage (always check particulars with vendor).

LMSC

@MWJB Do you recommend white or natural please? IIRC, you had said white.

Does it matter if it is tabbed or untabbed ?

Clumsy Goat sells the natural for a box of 40 at £3.55 and Hasbeen at £4.75 for a box of 40. Hasbeen sells both white or natural, tabbed or otherwise.

https://clumsygoat.co.uk/products/hario-v60-paper-filter-01-dripper-unbleached-sheets-pack-of-40?currency=GBP&variant=33988442193965&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=bbd4e5971dd0&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIivb66ODAhAMVyJdQBh31fQggEAQYByABEgJm4PD_BwE

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/hario-v60-filters

Where do you buy from please? Thx

MWJB

LMSC I have only used the white filters.

The 01 white, Japanese, bagged x100 filters in pink & black packaging are tabbed. The last bag I bought ( a few of days ago) was from Darkwoods. Prior to that I bought the same filters from Coffee Hit in December.

Tabs don’t seem to indicate anything, without also taking into account the packaging, there are at least 3 different white tabbed filter constructions under the Hario brand (2 from Japan, one from Holland).

LMSC

MWJB Does it matter if they are tabbed or untabbed?

I believe 40 is boxed, whereas 100 is bagged. I am surprised at the price differential. £3.55 to £7.99 for a box of 40! Some sell the 01 for bagged £100 for £6.50, which is a good value.

Thx

MWJB

LMSC I don’t like the untabbed 01, white, boxed papers.

LMSC

MWJB Hmm! May we know why you do not like untabbed white boxed please ? Is it the taste or paper or brew time or yield? Sorry, that’s too many probing questions! 😁

MWJB

LMSC In the brews I have carried out so far, the resulting coffee has attenuated acidity & tastes more generic, less distinctive. I wouldn’t draw conclusions from time or EY, they are perhaps objective indicators of a difference that may support the taste perception.

Maybe grinding coarser & slowing the pour can correct this, but for now it’s easier for me to use papers that give the best results without changes from my usual routine.

LMSC

Crankhouse, WILTON BENITEZ AND OSCAR RIASCOS FINCA LA MACARENA, CAUCA, COLOMBIA, ANAEROBIC THERMAL SHOCK, JAVA

Tasting Notes - LEMON VERBENA, LYCHEE AND WHITE WINE

Brewed 15g, 227.8g water, 197.3g liquid and 3.29 mins at 12% 400 Kruve giving 11.5% fines under. It was as smooth, creamy and sweet with a classic lemon tea like finish as in espresso. Unlike espresso, there wasn’t much clarity or separations of flavour (fruit and wine). It’s perhaps due to the V60 02 filter paper. Still, I enjoyed drinking the coffee. I will score this 7.5/9, reserving the coffee for the V60 01 pink and black bagged papers to arrive from Darkwoods.

LMSC

LMSC Crankhouse, WILTON BENITEZ AND OSCAR RIASCOS FINCA LA MACARENA, CAUCA, COLOMBIA, ANAEROBIC THERMAL SHOCK, JAVA

Brewing this using pink and black V60 01 brought the best out of the tin in terms of separation of flavours. The floral lemon and lemon tea like finish were the main flavours with hints of booze. The acidity was softer, which I was expecting given the fruity note on the bag.

LMSC

Also brewed Darkarts Colombia Huilo El Apagon, Natural, Ombligon, pineapple, red fruits and vanilla as a second cup in the morning.

Brewed 15g, 226.2g water, 195.2g liquid and 3.09 mins at 12% 400 Kruve (12.1%). The only note that over powered the coffee and taste was red fruits. The taste and acidity really hit the roof. There was a constant burnt and ashen taste at the back of the tongue. Initially, I had thought I would score this 6.5-7/9. It deserves a 5.

It was brewed using the same green stripe V60 02 paper. The water wasn’t even sitting on the coffee bed. It is clearly an issue with the paper, I think.

I will pull a shot and make a flat white for my wife and see if it sits well. I don’t drink coffee with milk, which is a problem.

I find a lot of roasters in the country neither mention nor willing to consider. They all have their own valid reasons for not mentioning it. 🤷🏽

LMSC

LMSC Darkarts Colombia Huilo El Apagon, Natural, Ombligon, pineapple, red fruits and vanilla as a second cup in the morning.

So much better with the V60 01 pink & black bagged and tabbed white paper from Darkwoods. The acidity and notes are the way it should be - everything in moderation. The finish, I think, is vanilla assuming it’s supposed to have a bitter taste / finish.

I have had great coffee before. This isn’t one of them. I gets 7/9, which is so much better than the 5/9 using the green stripe paper. It is too dark to my taste.

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