> @"PortafilterProcrastinator"#p15060 They want the government to stop all new oil licences and consents. Ah, so they want prices to climb even higher for everything and old people to be cold in their homes….nice. Then when the lights go out, they will no doubt dance a merry jig as we go "Back to the 70s", except we won't have any petrol, diesel, or the professor with a flux capacitor to help us.. If we get to net zero this way, then we will have saved 1% of earths carbon emissions whilst the hundreds of planned coal fired power plants get built over the next 5 years or so. I think: * Japan is planning to build 22 * 240 under constriction or planned in china and so it goes on…I read somewhere the total figure worldwide could be 800 plants. So anything we do is insignificant. I suppose when our countries done for, they can go and protest in China and Russia

I think humanity is doomed, but our generation has not done nearly enough to try and slow climate change. Its older people own homes, meat eating pets, tumble dryers, outdoor hot tubs, fly multiple times per year, generally eat meat and diary. Then they use one of their wasteful SUVs to drive a few yards to Waitrose to buy some coriander and the Daily Mail. Yes, if I were young I would be pretty angry too.

@"Alexvs"#p15062 Agreed, people will start filling up every time they see availability. I don't see how these protests solve anything. We have to transition to low carbon/ renewable energy and it will take decades. More urgently we need to increase our resilience and autonomy. We should be making tough decisions like fracking for a set period to bridge the gap.

@"PortafilterProcrastinator"#p15072 and get the nuclear program well under way.

Nothing will change. This government/parliament is so corrupt self centred. When the health minister and chancellor both have green cards, and playing the system so they dont put what they should in, i see no future for this country. Only way anything will change with them is if they can make money from it.

Government and folks running it are cut away from reality; they won’t understand what it means to get hurt - economically. They may not know what hunger is. A 5P duty cut on fuel, NI hike, … Seriously? 🙄 No one is against net zero. It is important. The technology and the economics of it aren’t there to support effectively. We can’t fix it in 5-10 years, after we collectively abused the environment for centuries. Why are we boiling the ocean, when our house is flooded?

I am a dinosaur. The earth has been around for billions of years where metamorphosing or evolution has always gone on. Despite the extreme views of the vocal mob, I do not buy into climate change as a concept, even though I understand that there will be many who wish to shout me down. Shouting me down still does not make them right. We have come through many periods of time. What caused the Ice Age I wonder in a time before technology beyond a flint knife existed? Yet still it happened. We life in a nasty time currently. With diversity and the minority able to emotionally blackmail the majority, mainly due the the success of social media. Let us hope that if folks object to what I say, we can all still remain friends and respect each others views

yes, the earth has undergone many climate changes of a huge nature over its existence, the point isn't about that though, it's about what we are doing that is accelerating it from the naturally occurring incidents (like meteor strikes or huge volcanic eruptions) and basically consigning the human race to a rotten future if we don't change our ways. you can believe what you want, but it doesn't make you right or worth listening to on the subject because what you are saying is yet more rubbish that is being driven by this idiotic culture war.

@"gotters"#p15116 No offence taken matey.......what the view like from up there?

@"dfk41"#p15117 I wanted you to take offence, you are spouting drivel.

@"gotters"#p15118 But you did not offend me! Nor have you explained your point of view, but perhaps I can save you some time here as I doubt I would read it. So, to sum up: You are allowed to peddle anything you like in the name of climate change of the good of the world as you perceive it, and if I hold a view that is not the same as yours it is drivel. Ah, democracy working at it's best again

Climate change and Energy Security

ajohn

Gagaryn I think I know the vans you mean

No white van man type vans.

Nightrider_1uk

ajohn A few years back, I used to contract. 260 miles each way. How often would `i have needed to stop with a pure electric vehicle. Also continued ultrafast charging of the batteries would knock the stuffing out of then in no time

Gagaryn When I was a teenager, I had a milk round job on one of those Unigate jobbies.

Cuprajake

well the new kia kv6 gt is 550hp - does 260miles range, so you could get there in half the time haha

Nightrider_1uk

Cuprajake @😂😀 If I could afford even one 1/10th of the price, i’d doubt that i’d have been able to drive ll the way there without stopping. Even assuming I could, I need a vehicle with a more upright sitting position, to cope with my arithmetic knees and dodgy back, hence my choice to drive an S-Max. And don’t even get me started on charging

Cuprajake

Was joking it starts at £62k🤯

DavecUK

Cuprajake 62K, wow. Electric cars are generally a ridiculous price. I don’t know how people can afford new cars nowadays with the price of everything going up. I suspect people are hanging onto cars as long as possible. Partly through cost and partly because whoever is in power in 2029 will probably not have the ban on Petrol, because no one will be ready for electric cars.

Or perhaps they think that for some reason we will all let the train take the strain…and use public transport.

Rob666

DavecUK No, the idea is we all stop using cars (except the very rich) and stop moving about. Work from home, get everything we need delivered and only go out in our local area for exercise.

Cuprajake

I think - conspiracy hat on - you will own nothing and be happy

I think the high costs for people into £3-400 pm lease deals.

Hat off parts prices are extortionate

Mirror on a fiesta £500 on a BMW X5 £1000

DavecUK

Cuprajake Hat off parts prices are extortionate

Mirror on a fiesta £500 on a BMW X5 £1000

There is something that clearly needs to be done about parts pricing….and no one should buy cars where they take the piss out of the consumer like this.

DavecUK

Rob666 No, the idea is we all stop using cars (except the very rich) and stop moving about. Work from home, get everything we need delivered and only go out in our local area for exercise.

So why are they still building the great white elephant HS2, which is a monster compared to that small white elephant the Billenium Dome, that they gave away for a £1 a few years later, after it had stood empty. Sheer financial wizardry of a project, by the New Labour government at the time. 23 years on politicians probably hope we have forgotten.

I always predicted HS2 would end up costing 200 billion, although they say 100 billion now as they are not doing half the project. Even so I think that 100bn bill is set to go up and up. When the first half completes (probably in 2040), who exactly is really going to need to use it.

At one time we almost had a 3 billion garden bridge…good bye bridge, hello garden….I haven’t forgotten that one either.

Cuprajake

HS2 is the train they use in the hungers games, get your tributes ready😅

You won’t be able to drive into London that’s for sure

Saw an interesting video the other day, saying we could cut global emissions by moving from coal power to gas.

Del_UK

Cuprajake
That, or a really short version of the Snowpiercer train…

Cuprajake

Reminds me, need to watch that

It’s crazy that we can even draw comparison to ‘sci-fi’ films

chlorox

I discovered this thread only now so i am posting the following as my own personal opinions. I don’t expect they will be agreed with by many but be that as it may, they are what I believe for better or worse, and no offence is meant to anyone!

The climate is changing but it has always been changing. The illusion is that there is a ideal state that we are drifitng from - coincidentally that ideal state is always that of our childhood! This illusion is more likely born from recentism. Human society may have an effect on global climate but no one knows how much is the effect and whether it is “good” or “bad”. No one knows if all the drastic measures some are advocating will have any effect on the climate and by how much and if they will actualy have a net benefit or of they will bring more damage than any benefit they may bring, no matter how much virtue signalling Swedish schoolgirl media darlings may pontificate about it. No matter how much catastrophe doom mongering climate change activists declare that climate change will bring untold ecological and weather disasters on an unprecedented level, that is not happening in actual fact - https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/01/10/why-disasters-have-declined/?sh=654e818c1897

https://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=1588

Man Made climate change is more likely than not going to be discussed in a hundred years as a mass hysteric global hoax that sustained a billion dollar industry in NGOs, media, burracrats, scientists, academics, and of course opportunistic businessmen (https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money ) and gave millions of rootless youths who are looking for a cause to motivate their purposeless lives a campaign to rally around to save the world - instead of doing much more tangible things thay can actually make the world a better place like these

Lastly if we thought that a heating up world is bad, we should just think about what a new ice age would actually do instead (which was what some scientists in the 1970s were worried may happen https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11643-climate-myths-they-predicted-global-cooling-in-the-1970s/ ) - now that would really end much of human society…

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16026-humans-may-have-prevented-super-ice-age/

chlorox

https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/earth/ask-a-scientist-about-our-environment/how-did-the-ice-age-end#:\~:text=Scientists%20call%20this%20ice%20age,an%20ice%20age%20right%20now!

https://eos.org/research-spotlights/characterizing-interglacial-periods-over-the-past-800000-years

The beginning of the present Holocene interglacial period was abou 11550 years ago…so we are due jn a couple of thousand years for another plunge back into the Ice agr when the entire northern hemisphere was encased in a massive ice cap…no worries about rising sea levels because there won’t be any cities to be flooded since they would be all literally plowed under by massive glaciers….so just maybe rising carbon dioxide levels are a good thing?

chlorox

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35307800

“We are now in a period when our (northern) summer is furthest from the Sun,” the Potsdam researcher explained.

“Under normal circumstances, the interglacial would be terminated, and a new ice age would start. So, in principle, we are in the perfect conditions from an astronomical point of view. If we had a CO2 concentration of 240 parts per million (200 years ago) then an ice age could start, but luckily we had a concentration that was higher, 280ppm.” Today, industrial society has taken that concentration to over 400ppm."

Rob666

There is also considerable geological evidence that the switch from interglacial to glacial periods can and did occur occur very quickly, in 20-30 years following a period of warming. This is, of course, highly inconvenient for the scientists proselytising global warming… It may not be something we should rely on but should certainly be borne in mind.

DavecUK

Here’s another view which may not be popular. We have one life, just the one. So why make it as unenjoyable as possible which is what the pointless pursuit of net 0 in the UK is doing. We cannot make any difference with our 1% of carbon emissions, it won’t stop China, India, or any other country producing ever increasing emissions from fossil fuels. Even if we achieved net Zero, our saving would be swallowed up in a year or 2 at the most.

So back to the one life thing. I care about my kids and my grandkids (if I live to see them)…after that, I don’t care. This is because I cannot really care about those born after I am dead. Call me selfish!

Gagaryn

DavecUK

Curious why plans for net zero world is making your life so unenjoyable? It is having negligible effect on my happiness, if any.

I find it remarkable that you think it reasonable to not care about the world after you are dead - but kudos for your openness.

Cuprajake

quadruled gas and electric is having a marked effect upon my life, thats all part of it, my house i set at 16 degrees, it gets to 18 in the bedrooms and my gas and elec bills are about £270 pm, thats £190 up on this time last year, dont even get me started on my business charges at work, had a 14.4%raise from bt coming april :(

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