Paper filter at the bottom of your portafilter?

JHCCoffee I think you forgot a couple of steps:

7a. Draw pentacle with machine at centre, using blood of a virgin. Male if light roast, female if dark roast.
7b. Light 5 black candles at the pentacle corners
7c. Recite incantation to the gods of extraction

😉

(I honestly cannot see the point of the multiple WDT and twirling - the amount of clumping will be the same if one ‘adequate’ WDT pass is done once the grounds are in the basket; on the other hand, more WDT means more oxygen gets in contact with the grounds)

FadedFrontiers So they’re really offering convenience rather than an improvement on the combo.

100% agree. And ar US$200 a basket, I may stick to paper for a while yet.😀

What you need is a uni filter 🤯

I think we’re getting to a point now where we go way ott

Grinders that go way above and beyond so we have to then add something to change the shot back to what it was.

Are we getting back to the confirmation bias thing again?

For me Ive seen people use paper. I tried it, it was a pita as was the custom £30 mesh screen I bought. Not used it since.

If people like to do it, and it’s part of their routine fair do, but alot of people just copy to be one of the cool kids…..

Yeah it’s all totally over the top and I bet that it’ll get all the more popular, at least until things like the Unifilter, Wafo baskets and the like are far cheaper.

WDT was looked at with the exact same scepticism but I’d guess that lots if not most on here now WDT or do some sort of distribution, which is a lot more effort, with greater cost and more negligible results than putting a paper filter in your basket.

It’s always up to how much effort you want to put in, but this seems both easier and a lot cheaper than a lot of other steps and accessories that are more popular and part of the espresso orthodoxy now.

FadedFrontiers WDT or do some sort of distribution, which is a lot more effort, with greater cost and more negligible results than putting a paper filter in your basket.

I must be doing WDT wrong, then - it takes me about 10 seconds, and it cost me £3.50 incl. P&P for 10 0.35 mm needles (5 of which were given to a fellow Coffeetimer) - lasting a lifetime. Cork was ‘free’ with the bottle 😁

Since I don’t brew filter, I’d need to buy filter paper ex-novo and cut it to fit a 54 mm filter. Not sure it’s cheaper, faster or easier, especially for someone fairly goofy with scissors (left-hander in a right-handed world). Horses for courses, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

CoyoteOldMan as it makes you happy, it doesn’t matter if you’re not raking the espresso zen garden for long enough to make a difference to shot quality 😆

I had aeropress filters lying around, as a fellow lefty I managed to cut one just about to an acceptable standard and will give it a rinse after I’m done so it’s ready to be reused next time. So I guess that’s £0 and under 10 seconds every time. 🙀

But as I said, totally get it’s not for everyone, I just find it slightly odd that people seem to draw the line at a paper filter which has more evidence of improving shot quality than half the espresso fads people get into.

FadedFrontiers it doesn’t matter if you’re not raking the espresso zen garden for long enough to make a difference to shot quality

That’s the only thing I would disagree with. 10 seconds are ample for distributing the grounds very uniformly in the basket. And compared to simply tamping what comes out of the grinder, it makes a heck of a difference to shot quality - a reliably good extraction vs. a 5 seconds gusher.

My ASD self would question some other of the assertions you make, but… as I said, horses for courses.

CoyoteOldMan you’ve found something that works for you and that’s what matters.

Is 10 secs better than none at all? I’m sure it is.

Is a slower more thorough stir going to produce better more repeatable results? Yep, but stirring for twice as long as you originally said every time wouldn’t sound quite as low effort versus dropping a paper filter in the basket. 🤷

FadedFrontiers stirring for twice as long as you originally said every time wouldn’t sound quite as low effort versus dropping a paper filter in the basket.

Maybe - but then there are a couple of other considerations:

1. I quite like ‘body’ (fines) in my coffee. I drink a fair amount of Turkish, and I don’t like filter brews (too weak and ‘clean’ for my taste). I suspect putting a paper on the bottom would produce those effects, even if actual extraction may improve (though again, since I like medium/dark+ roasts, I doubt it would or that it would increase “pleasantly”).

2. Picking up the paper from the bottom of the puck, rinsing and drying it is not effort free, and it takes more than 10 seconds - nor is the cutting of more papers (which are more expensive and less durable than needles). I often pull 4-6 double shots in a row because I have guests or I cook something (mainly desserts) that requires large amounts of good coffee. I can do that with WDT quite quickly; with paper - even assuming I’d like the result more - it would mean cost and/or significant increased time.

What I’m trying to get at is that the assertion that ‘a paper filter on the bottom produces better results with less effort and cost than WDT’ is, if not outright incorrect, at the very least highly circumstantial.

CoyoteOldMan I definitely agree with you that it’s highly circumstantial, and my previous posts did try to get across how it’s very much effort and taste/bean dependent. I also see a lot of studies with lighter roasts in espresso so would be interested to read more looking at darker roasts.

But my comparison to WDT wasn’t helpful, it was more to draw parallels about broader skepticism over new developments in espresso but I slipped into bad generalisations about cost and effort! I also should have been clearer that by results I meant extraction yield but that doesn’t necessarily equal a better coffee.

For the record I do think WDT is great 😂

I have been using one filter paper disc at the bottom and one at the top and then a stainless steel mesh disc on top of the filter at the top. I have not been finding any negative tangible difference in taste. On the other hand the shot usually runs faster than if I don’t use filter paper so I assume that it’s helping the flow through the puck.

My main reason for doing it is because some studies apparently showed that it cuts down significantly on the fats that are transferred into the espresso. I have started using two filter paper discs at the bottom for this health benefit to enhance the filtering out of fats even more and I am not really finding any tangible diminution in the taste.

Here is a study that seems to suggest that two fats found in espresso can cause a significant rise in blood cholesterol.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070614162223.htm

When I was on 58mm baskets I preferred the clean taste from my SSP and ims e&b super fine basket.

Adding paper is a bit of a faff for me and just adds another variable to the equation.

I’ve tried it in the past with a cut v60 paper, but didn’t like the results.

So who’s using a paper filter these days at the bottom of their espresso puck and what type of roast of coffee?

I still use them on some shots, in the Pullman basket

Generally light to medium

Cuprajake ok. So not really useful for medium to dark ?

It will clean the cup up a little as it will trap solids from the cup

So loss of texture

Depends what you want from the bean and it’s notes 😁