The Eureka Single Dose is now out in the wild. Is anyone thinking of buying one?

We know @"DavecUK"#1 had this for a while and did a review for them. I’m not sure , if he is allowed to post his comments.

@"LMSC"#p933 I had a prototype with smaller burrs, I made some recommendations. What size burrs does the production version have and how much does it cost?

@"DavecUK"#p943 Thx Dave! 65 mm diamond costing £499 https://static.bellabarista.co.uk/pdf/Eureka-Mignon-Single-Dose-Niche-Zero-DF-64.pdf

That document above is crazy marketing nonsense. I vote we remove from here as it's entirely bias and misleading. @"LMSC"#p944 ^^^.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p946 I am not a marketing agent! 😂 That’s what I find on their site. Some one will have to prove one way or other. I am indifferent between keeping that link or removing it. Dave and mods may decide.

When you read that doc (not sure if you have) you will see what I'm talking about. The claims they (Eureka) are making are baseless and without any substance what so ever. (rant over) 🤣

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p952 hi, I saw that document before, yes it is purely marketing, composed by one ‘eureka’ company it looks like! When I was toying with the idea of purchasing the niche zero I stumbled across lots of stuff online and that was one of them, I didn’t pay much attention after first glance tbh. I don’t believe it would be helpful to someone considering the comparisons either if they were looking for meaningful info

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p952 I did, tbh. We always find most of the manufactures’ claims are excessive, don’t we? I am looking forward to a review and first impressions, though.

Mine is being delivered later today. I’ll give my thoughts. I had a Niche in the past but didn’t get on with the flavours in comparison to my Atom 75.

@"cengland117"#p963 - Oh, exciting! Let us know how it compares to the Niche, not only in terms of flavorous but also usability. Looking forward to reading it!

Eureka Single dose, Niche, Solo

Cuprajake

Hasnt the niche always been made in china?

The eureka is a lazy way of making a single dose grinder

The took there normal grinder design, angled it. You can see they couldn’t even be bothered to make a fresh front plate

Then theh added a blow up hopper.

The adjustment on the eureka isnt amazong either just a threaded rod

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake Hasnt the niche always been made in china?

Nope. The earlier ones were made in the UK, potentially assembled by Martin and James. Mine is one of them. Obviously demand grew exponentially, so they needed to produce the grinder into a much bigger scale.

Cuprajake

MediumRoastSteam

yeah but that would of only the first yr or so would it not?

Beverast

MediumRoastSteam Fiddled about with it this morning and managed to pull it out 😁

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake - I’m not sure Jake. I can’t remember exactly when they shifted the whole production and assembly to their own factory in China.

DavecUK

MediumRoastSteam I’m not sure Jake. I can’t remember exactly when they shifted the whole production and assembly to their own factory in China.

I think it was 6-9 months, as demand was so high it became difficult to manufacture at their home workshop. The production facilities in China are quite incredible, and he got to know the best places to have things made due to his previous career with Kenwood. If anything, I would imagine the quality/consistency of the Chinese assembly is as good or better. Certain parts are still sourced from all over and shipped to China for production. e,g. Mazzer Burrs etc..

Pompeyexile

Made in China but born in…. Portsmouth. That’s good enough for me…PUP!

Cuprajake

i dont see made in china as a derogatory remark,

it gets used in ice hockey equipment all the time, if its not can/us made then its trashed, im like they can sew just as good in china lol

Pompeyexile

‘Made in China’ is no longer synonymus with poor quality…just cheaper. If they carried on trying to have it made here in the UK, I guess the price would be quite a bit more.

Still it makes me shake my head in disbelief though at how having something made thousands of miles away then transported here and all that costs, is still cheaper than having it made here in the UK. But, then again I suppose very low wages, poor working standards/rules in these other countries are probably the reason. Sadly, it’s the price many in the west are willing to pay for paying less… me included.

Gagaryn

Pompeyexile Labour in China is no longer as cheap as you might imagine. Labour costs in parts of Europe are already comparable and in some sectors cheaper. China’s strength is in having abundant, advanced manufacturing facilities and a skilled workforce who are experienced in setting up production and tooling very quickly. You’ll start to see a lot more Made in Romania and Made In Poland markings on goods in the coming years.

Evergreen88

How much cheaper though? If the competition is producing grinders in the same space at the same price but manufactured in Italy?

I have always been pleased with the fact that coffee machines/grinders/gears are manufactured mostly in Europe.
I understand that a small company has less scaling opportunities but it’s definitely disappointing to see another production moving from the UK/Europe to China. If I were on the market for a single dose grinder I would consider this a big point in favour of Eureka.

MediumRoastSteam

Evergreen88 If I were on the market for a single dose grinder I would consider this a big point in favour of Eureka.

Not me. Personally, I dislike the current implementation of the Eureka - It just doesn’t feels right yet, based on what I see on videos etc.

Now, if there was a similar grinder, which was equally capable and could be compared like for like, then yes, I would consider buying closer to hone, always.

I’d rather buy a product I’d be happy with made away from home than something I wouldn’t enjoy made close by. And, based on what I see so far, the Niche is a far superior product. My opinion, of course.

To put it differently: If you were in the market for a coffee machine and a car, would you buy a Fraccino machine just because they are made in Birmingham, even though they don’t really tick all the boxes for you? Or a Nissan car because they are made in Sunderland even though your eyes were set on a Skoda? (just as an example)

Evergreen88

MediumRoastSteam I agree with your reasoning, the manufacturing location is one advantage of the Eureka over the Niche, but it wouldn’t be the only criteria for me. At the moment I am not looking at single dose grinders so I have not gone into the details of the two options, I am not saying I would get the Eureka over the Niche.

Maybe in 10 years time I will look at the available options (Niche 2.0 vs Eureka platino?) 😁

Pompeyexile

We all want best bang for our buck. However, would I pay more for the same item made in the UK than made in China?..depends; how much more. If Niche said we will now make the grinder in the UK but it will cost you £75 more, then I would seriously have to look elswhere or wait much longer before getting it. It’s all down to disposable income and priorities.

As I’ve said before, one man’s £75 may be their fortnightly shop and another man’s Friday night out. If I could always afford to buy British I would. However, if Britain can’t produce what I want for the money I have available, then I don’t. At least buying from a British company even if they make their goods in China, the business rates and taxes go to Britain.

I cannot afford or justify spending more than the price they are asking for the Niche on a grinder, and I can only do that by selling other stuff first. Yes, there are plenty of other grinders out there within that price range, but none I’ve seen (in my opinion) with such good reviews and comparisons for an overall package that the Niche delivers.

So, it comes down different burrs giving different taste profiles and that is subjective and also, way out of my league.

dfk41

As a side issue, and I agree with what you say, I have had many many grinders over the years, and could still have one of these high end single dosers that so many people own like a fashion accessory, but I run a Niche. Why? Simple, for the way I make coffee, the routine, the taste, the Niche does it for me. When I hear of folks discussing whether to buy Unimodal or clinky clunky burrs, I truly wonder if we have all gone mad. I simply do not believe that the majority of these owners have taste buds so delicate.

Cuprajake

think it depends what you’re drinking, if the beans look like a lump of coal then the grinders the least of your problems,

burrs can make a difference even to my untrained pallet i tasted a change when i got the ssp over the stock mazzer

what does get me is you can spend so much on a ek then have to potentially align it, 83mm is the biggest burr ive tasted

but like anything it comes down to ££££££

niche have hit the right area, its just about right whilst still alot of money its inbetween a small speciliata and a fancy flat

id like to see a weber key in real life

Pompeyexile

Gagaryn You’ll start to see a lot more Made in Romania and Made In Poland markings on goods in the coming years.

Talking of which, I was looking for a really nice headphone stand for my Hi-Fi and bought this…

Beautifully made in Poland.

We also got our made from solid oak dining room furniture from Lithuania. Far better quality than we what we were looking at in Oakworld Furniture. The eastern block countries have just as good craftsman in many areas in my experience.

Frothbewithyou

Isn’t it interesting though that at one point it was the ‘selling point’ being made in the UK (as explained by some users) and now it is the selling point it is made in China.

I would go back then to my comparison to the Niche and the Solo. If now both are made in China and one is cheaper (Solo) does that mean the loyalty to a British firm is now the difference. Or is it styling that they prefer

I have no stock in the race or discussion. I do not single dose (as explained earlier).

I do think if we learn anything from all this is work out what you desire, need, require and your budget most importantly. Diminishing returns is a thing and sometimes for you that extra £100 or more made be a pointless expenditure for what you want.

I do look forward to potential sequels and what the next big design feature will be the ‘must-have’

Edit: I did watch that Eureka video and from the design and issues he found I personally IF I was in the market for a grinder not go for the Eureka at that price point with those lazy design choices.

dfk41

Frothbewithyou I think the unique selling point, was designed in the UK by a UK team meaning the money stays in the UK. Where it is made is more or less irrelevant now. It has also remained the same price since launch, another thing to be proud of

CafeNoir

Frothbewithyou For me, the unique selling point of the Niche was faff-free high quality single dosing straight out of the box. I believe one of its main strengths is that it was designed from the ground up by a seriously competent industrial designer primarily for the domestic specialty coffee enthusiast…..and the burrs - not that terribly long ago owning a Mazzer Kony at home was considered a pretty good bet for bragging rights….lol!

Its taking a lot of mucking about with my own bigger flat (83mm) to achieve anything remotely near that ease of use……you know, puff, brush, puff, restart…..fine coffee mist over the benchtop..no trouble really, lol lol!!!

DavecUK

Pompeyexile We also got our made from solid oak dining room furniture from Lithuania. Far better quality than we what we were looking at in Oakworld Furniture. The eastern block countries have just as good craftsman in many areas in my experience.

My Father had a Polish friend from the war….he used to make beautiful wood furniture objects…one was a racing Yacht as a lamp, absolutely beautiful work. There was a record cabinet and TV stand…he was also a great (Polish) french polisher. I think there are lots of woodworking skills in Poland

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