Cuprajake It’s a bit of a faff.

It’s a small price to pay - major and SSP HU 83 mm flat - for £550+.

We are looking at adding about £400 for the SSP 83 mm including an assumed postage of $50, 1.18 currency rate and 25% VAT and tax on top of the base price!

      LMSC 25% VAT and tax on top

      In terms of import taxes, given the burrs are made in the EU, should they charge any other import duties other than VAT at 20% for the UK?

      I haven’t checked or imported anything from the EU since he UK left the single market, so I’m curious to know how rules are being applied.

      • LMSC replied to this.

          MediumRoastSteam n terms of import taxes, given the burrs are made in the EU, should they charge any other import duties other than VAT at 20% for the UK?

          I haven’t checked or imported anything from the EU since he UK left the single market, so I’m curious to know how rules are being applied.

          Very messy area!

          1. If the seller is VAT registered, he/she must remove the VAT and declare that on the invoice. The VAT is then chargeable at our port of entry.
          2. If not VAT registered, the VAT is / may be applicable at our customs beyond a limit.
          3. If the seller doesn’t remove the VAT, we shouldn’t be paying the VAT. But, there may have been instances of the VAT notice. Jake did get a VAT notice. I don’t know if he also paid the same at the origin of supply

          There is also a complex rules of origin complicating the matter.

          https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-your-goods-meet-the-rules-of-origin

          The import duty isn’t a lot. I think it will be about 3% - 5%

              LMSC - thanks. But my point was whether there should be any import duty for something which is manufactured in the EU, I.e.: SSP burrs. I understand VAT is chargeable.

              Edit: thanks for the link to thread. So no import duty, only VAT plus some shipment flat fee.

              • LMSC replied to this.

                  LMSC - That’s not import duty, as that’s set to 0% clearly in the invoice. That’s most likely currier admin fee and nothing to do with HMRC.

                  Key is in the labelling: Customs Charge (yellow box) and Extra Charges (red box)

                  From the thread:

                    5 days later

                    I just received a DF83 at the beginning of the weekend. This is an upgrade to my Baratza Virtuoso+. The primary thing I was looking for was a stepless grinder, as the Virtuoso+ is stepped, and I didn’t feel that I had as fine control over the grind as I needed.

                    There’s an option for ordering the DF83 with SSP high uniformity burrs, but the delivery time was going to be very long. The DF83 would have been shipped to the distributor (I’m in the US), and they would install the SSP burrs once they received them, and then it would be shipped to me. Instead, I asked them to ship me the stock grinder, and my plan was to install the SSP burrs myself once they arrived. At this point, the results are good enough that I’ve canceled the SSP burr order until I have more experience with the stock burrs.

                    So far, I like it a lot. It only took a few attempts before I was making espresso that is really close to what I want. Still need to get more experience with it, but I’m quite happy so far.

                    BTW, a common criticism of the DF83 is that the power cord comes out the side, not the back. The reason for this is that there’s a large capacitor at the back of the base that’s in the way of the power cord coming out the back. If the power cord was to come out the back, the base would have to be quite a bit larger and/or taller than it is. Here’s how I’ve dealt with the power cord coming out the side.

                      wilburpan BTW, a common criticism of the DF83 is that the power cord comes out the side, not the back.

                      Looks like people don’t have much to criticise then. If that’s a common criticism… these people need to chill out. 🤣😉👍

                      I’m pretty sure my Eureka Mignon had the cable coming out of the side. Same as the La Pavoni.

                      Let us know how you get on, specially around exchange retention.

                          SSP Vs stock mazzer burr

                          The SSP are no better than the stock, they just alter the flavour profile.

                          I’ve been going back to back recently and I’ve found the SSP pronounce the fruit and the acidity.

                          Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                            Cuprajake SSP Vs stock mazzer burr

                            The SSP are no better than the stock, they just alter the flavour profile.

                            I think the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs (like the DF64 / Solo) as stock and not Mazzer burrs. I upgraded my burrs on the Solo to Mazzers and it was a great improvement. I’d recommend upgrading to Mazzer burrs on the DF83 if the stock burrs are Italmils

                                MediumRoastSteam I immediately switch off (😬) whenever the location of the power button, the cord or any other inconsequential things are used as criticisms of machines. Subjective things like design and workflow are a matter of personal preference and they affect everyone differently

                                wilburpan thanks for the write up of the machine, have you tried it for filter yet?

                                      Ugh I dislike his videos/reviews. I just never believe a word he says. I think the more interesting grinder is the DF64P to be honest

                                        KyleT Ugh I dislike his videos/reviews

                                        Whose videos? There are four in this thread! 👍😉

                                            MediumRoastSteam Let us know how you get on, specially around exchange retention.

                                            I’ll be more than happy to, once I get more espressos under my belt.

                                            After this morning’s round of espresso making, I’m finding that I almost have the opposite problem from my Virtuoso+. With that grinder going just one step up or down caused quite a big change in the espresso. With the DF83, I’m at the point where I’m moving the dial just one mark at a time as I’m optimizing my espresso, and the changes are so small that I think I could stand to go two marks at a time. I guess I should be careful of what I wish for. 😆

                                                dutchy101 I think the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs (like the DF64 / Solo) as stock and not Mazzer burrs.

                                                This is true — the DF83 comes with Italmil burrs. SSP HU burrs are an option at this point in time. There have been reports that other 83 mm burrs will fit.

                                                  wilburpan I’m finding that I almost have the opposite problem from my Virtuoso+

                                                  I think that’s expected. The Virtuoso+ is a toy grinder, mainly designed for pour overs, and tweaked for espresso and consequently (all purpose) with 40mm conical burrs. This is hand grinding territory really. I’d be scared the grinder would stop working if I look at it the other way. 🤣

                                                  The DF83 is a beast in comparison.

                                                  I’d be curious to know how much grinds it retains in the chute, and what’s the routine like in terms of using the bellows and how messy it gets in the end.