Here we go! * Out of box burrs give traditional style and not modern style espresso * Require Mazzer or SSP burrs set * Not leap and bounds better than DF64 * Requires some alignment https://youtu.be/iGJ5mY5LiHI

Can't stand that bloke. Pure paid review and my god those hands ![Giphy - season 1 workout GIF by Fox TV](https://media3.giphy.com/media/ieP5jI3S06bps6yOYu/giphy.gif?cid=bb77869fwlymqdlu5aqzthkya6mhrirx9c3ntbwr9e51uoy5&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Apparently his day job is a preacher in some branch of Christianity. This does help understand his character a bit. You know, plus he's Canadian.

I’m the video he says he gave up his day job and that channel is his main bread winner now. I watched it… I’m not convinced of the product tbh.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p27944 oh wow, bold move. It has potential to be better built than the DF64 but that's a pretty low bar.

Perhaps his sweatshirt says it all 🙂

I could not watch it.....why do Youtubers think you have to start with a catchphrase from a Nineties beer commercial still (even though he did not, but his style makes me want to puke!)

Another one! https://youtu.be/u27g9Xw5TRE

@"dfk41"#p28502 It does look as if that thing needs a miracle, indeed. 😁

DF83 - first impressions

tompoland

Portakeeper rates the new DLC burrs up there with SSP. If so, it adds significant value to an already favorably priced grinder.

tompoland

Portakeepers comments on the DLC buurs are around the 4min 30sec mark on this video…

The new Australian version of the DF83 also comes standard with these new burrs.

MediumRoastSteam

tompoland - This is definitely a grinder which is catching my attention. It’s almost as if they heard all the feedback related to the DF64 and applied to this one. The chute is ace, the grinder looks very sleek . Personally, I could do without the variable speed - maybe one day they will have a version for it. But as an end product (very similar to the Lagom externally at least) they hit it, and the price is competitive. I’m keeping an eye on this grinder with interest.

Niche better hurry up with implementing that patent of theirs (for the flat burr grinder).

tompoland

@DavecUK I started a new thread for the DF64V because I felt like I was hijacking this one. But I can’t delete the two posts above with the videos. Feel free to delete them if you want to. Thanks.

MediumRoastSteam

tompoland Two for the price of one, is hard to ignore.

This is very true. I mean… You can even buy one and, if one is a dud… You can buy a second one and hopefully it won’t be faulty… And then you have one for spares… A risk worth taking IMO.

Cuprajake

The df as a company seem to be blasting grinders out atm, there’s quite a few models now.

It would be nice to have UK support, but that comes at a price, I know it’s not often you buy a dud, but it can happen.

What sort of age and conditions are the first grinders the df company supplied in now? Or do users upgrade pretty quickly

I do like big burrs, I prefer them to the smaller flats, that’s just me.

dutchy101

Cuprajake What sort of age and conditions are the first grinders the df company supplied in now? Or do users upgrade pretty quickly

I have a first edition DF64, which is coming up to 3 years old now. I love it - haven’t had any issues with it, albeit I have chosen to mod the clump crusher, I’ve switched out the burrs for Mazzers, bought a new sticker for the top to make the zero point at zero and fitted a device to act as a flow control disk - all in all I’ve spent about £70 on it. I’ve got a couple of 3D printed mods to hold the cup closer to the chute and keep it in place plus an arrow indicator for the top, but I have no concerns over build quality at all and expect the grinder will last me many years. I paid an additonal £30 or so for an extended 4 year warranty with BB so it’s cost me about £500 in total - same as a Niche would have

LMSC

BB dropped the price to £699.

https://bellabarista.co.uk/products/df83-single-dose-grinder-matt-black

dutchy101

LMSC

BB say the burrs are Italian made (presumably Italmill) which is different to the Chinese burrs that @tompoland was informed it came with. Quite intrigued by the Chinese burrs - they sound interesting.

tompoland

dutchy101 yes they have been Italmill up until now. They are phasing in the DLC burrs with the DF83 (new units coming into Australia this week have them) and in the DF64 series starting with the DF64V.

tompoland

The new units with DLC burrs are now in stock here in Australia with prices starting at AU 1,599 which is around GBP 925. Its a bit of a shame that the price of the until has gone up by around $400 but that’s offset somewhat by the DLC burrs. Still, it’s a hefty increase that is going to shut some out of an upgrade unfortunately.

Cuprajake

That’s a shame, is that with or with out tax, did some one say anything aus under 1000 didn’t get taxed

tompoland

Cuprajake yes agree its not great when we see that sort of price jump. It was me who mentioned the sub 1k level for duty. In this case a buyers options for the DF83 is via a retailer (who will have taken care of the import duty/VAT) starting around the AU1600 mark as mentioned above or buy direct from www.df64coffee.com for around AU940 landed or add the SSP burrs to that order to bring the burrs up to a similar standard as the Aussie model with the DLC burrs and pay AU1465 and another likely AU140 for import duty being a total of AU$1605.

So yes, the option is still there to save, so long as the buyer is happy with the Italmill burrs, which by most accounts perform quite well.

Cuprajake

for the price difference, id pay more just for dealer back up

tompoland

Just in from DF headquarters is this response to my question as to whether the DF83 will start shipping with the DLC coated burrs (which they now do in all new Australian models that come in to the country via retailers.

_Hello Tom,

We hope you find the burrs to be as good as SSP too! Our manufacturer of burrs and our team tested and based on their results we say it is on par. We leave it to our resellers who are the professionals in this field too to leave their remarks.

Every grinder will have their own different set of burrs.

DLC can be produced but at an extra cost for DF83, 100USD for 83MM burrs. We found most resellers do not want to raise the cost even further, hence we offer the standard burrs only._

MattH

FYI the models hitting the distributors will be the version 2 with updated chute etc

Bella barista will be carrying the v2 from their preorder.

tompoland

MattH Matt do you know if v2 includes the Italmill or DLC burrs?

MattH

tompoland No - let me ask.. they did mention that the metal dosing cup were extras some distributors were adding on and it was not there from the factory.

MattH

tompoland so they think they are the italamil burrs… and they said theY would also be stocking ssp burrs if people wanted to then upgrade

LMSC

Ideally, they could offer DLC as an option like the SSP burrs. Some users may prefer to replace the stock itamil with Mazzer burrs. I believe the Torr toys offers the 83 mm DLC burrs costing €180. This is for Mazzer; I think the DF83 would take this.

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