Cuprajake What I don’t like bout the new approach is well formed companies are doing it.

Weber was a real shock. I didn’t like that way of it being done, but I suppose why spend your money when you can spend someone else

When established companies that do have the resources do it, I can see two types f possible reason. One is the charitable viewpoint, but the other not so much. The uncharitable approach is as someone said earlier - shifting the risk. But the charitable view is the motivation I ment;ioned a few posts back, i.e. not about the money at all, but about a kind of pre-announcement, building up and dragging out expectations. In other words, a devious and often highly effective but cheap advertising campaign, building a substantial head ofr steam by the time you shift Unit 0000001. That technique, of course, only really works IF the company concerned is a known and relatively trusted entity, and Weber would be a wonderful example.

How do we tell which motivation is at play in any given Kickstarter from a well-known player? Beats the proverbial outta me. 😁

And, of course …. it could be both, at the same time.

    CoffeePhilE So if it’s more than a “shrug, whatever” sort of sum, I’d rather just wait and pay more at the retail stage

    Excellent point. Changes the whole risk reward equation.

      Definitrly established companies are taking advanrgae of the kickstarter to get a sweet deal foe themselves - locked in purchasers who ahve already paid, a certain idea of how many units are needed before manufacturingstarts, kicking up a lot of hype over the product. At least when they do it, there is a lot higher probability the project won’t disappear without a trace with your money unlike the case with the projects from new start ups or people we have never heard of before.

      What I find interesting is that if timemore can produce the 78s at $499 inclusive of customs and shipping anywhere in the world, it puts into perspective what could be the actual cost to weber and lagom of their made in Taiwan or made in China grinders…

        It will all be about the margin they want to attain… no different to the true cost of apple products manufactured in China. Or even watches made in Switzerland… the true cost of a Rolex bares no resemblance to the retail price 😂

        chlorox and is the Kickstarter price a loss leader to get the marketing buzz as the real retail price will be much higher?

            simonc

            Well, the MSRP for the 78is is $649 which is stilll astonishing…

              So lets be honest though - these companies are probably not that large - and I doubt have have huge coffers of resources behind them. Manufacturing at these small scales ( this is not apple or nvidia here - just a niche product for coffee ppl) will be costly and probably a easy way to end up with endless unsold stock if they create the wrong product.

              So kickstarter is a way to get x items sold - which means they can plan to build X thousand items - and then schedule a build run with whichever factories are contracted for the work.

              Weber had the right idea - a 2k grinder if the market did not want it then the kickstarter would not have been funded.

              Its certainly a “safer” way for the firms as correctly the risk is passed to us the early backers who want a discount.

              At least with all the hype/videos produced on youtube we do get a chance to eyeball the product - and then we can make out own decision whether to back a project - or not and wait for a retail product. I am happy to back a milk frother or the 064s - but not something like meticulous….

                MattH 100% agree. Risk vs reward for sure. Anything expensive I would personally wait and pay that little bit more.

                  [unknown] hey not sure if you have an opinion on this but im trying to figure out if I should get the 078s…currently have a stock DF64…watched Kyle Roswell’s video and was conflicted when he said he thought the 64 sculptor was better for milk drinks which I primarily make, but thought the 78 had to be better overall…now wondering if getting ssp burrs for my DF64 would be better than getting the 078s?

                    jeffreywcf hey not sure if you have an opinion on this but im trying to figure out if I should get the 078s…currently have a stock DF64…watched Kyle Roswell’s video and was conflicted when he said he thought the 64 sculptor was better for milk drinks which I primarily make, but thought the 78 had to be better overall…now wondering if getting ssp burrs for my DF64 would be better than getting the 078s?

                      Here is a new Review in the timemore 78. I had not come across. the reviewer before but his review is quite helpful I thought for the info that he shares on it.

                      Regarding popcorning, this is how the maker made the grinder to be used, I made a video to show:

                        dont see an issue with popcorning, most grinders do it, even more so when single dosing them

                        Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                        I am wondering if it makes a lot of difference if you would cold start it. On my grinder (MM with ssp hu) I did not feel there’s any difference in the cup hot vs cold start.

                        16 days later

                        Wow this thread has moved a lot since i last checked it.

                        I am in for the 078s which seems to be getting reviewed the best and best value of the bunch (perhaps unsurprisingly).

                        Fwiw my view here is that if the spec sheet performs even roughly as expected (and as it appears to based on the few reviews we do now have), I can accept a few quirks if they come out of the woodwork. The idea that I can pick up a grinder with higher burr surface area that a mazzer major and a large variable RPM brushless motor for <£1000, let alone 500 is phenomenal. I definitely still have 1 foot firmly in the too good to be true camp but it feels worth a stab.

                        (Yes I am definitely starting to sound like a shill)

                          DavecUK i only saw briefly but from what I remember it looked like a real back of the *cigarette packet 2D calculation with a delta pi*R², not taking into account any burr geometry. Any concerns in addition to that?