This looks interesting https://www.sculptor.timemore.com/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=lead&utm_content=DC&UTM_term=Coffee+lover&fbclid=IwAR2CZ3pBMkQmWdqmucxQFVQcjydTECpokLraqERPCYHddmjT31GP7P_SWOY_aem_Ab_Qq4FTnxnzmHwzqPJq0Lx-_ekAqx6eLQKwGVI3lcjJRZZ8CNgjnGLrdVY4oEk9mrltM9bQRU2UKu6SvaFOrCzVLLIc1rMcnmjepbi0eFg76voPOkboOFlJ7kv7KwZn688&ad_id=23852712128540286&campaign_id=23852712087110286

I know lance hedrick has one as well, so will be interested to see a video on it

I registered interest and was sent a survey to complete. I looked at the questions and it was so skewed it was almost unbelievable. It was almost impossible to complete without giving 5 stars to something you have never seen, in every department.......so I binned it. Also, their use of English in the write up is decidedly odd!

Whilst I doubt it has a significant effect on the grinder's performance & function, it seems odd to do a grind analysis by a method with no available comparison, even odder that the % figures given don't match the curves in the chart.

> @"MWJB"#p33559 even odder that the % figures given don’t match the curves in the chart Dodgy. Cant help but think that makes any claims they make questionable.

@"dfk41"#p33556 very strange. The anti-marketing department hard at work? It may be a quality product but that sort of practice sets of alarm bells.

This kind of unintelligible 'data' is very common in coffee crowd funding (Invergo brewer, ROK grinder). It's not very reassuring, but the people posting usually don't understand the concepts they are trying to convey, luckily for the manufacturers, their prospective customers don't know what they are looking at either. If the burrs work and the grinder is built to reasonable tolerances then it will work normally. ...unlike my Timemore Nano which is only effective as a paper weight.

So many coffee themed kickstarters these days!

'Patented Burrs' I don't see what could be so novel in burr design that they would spend 10k patenting it aha. What the heck is a 'sensory motor'? The text about the motor is such a silly thing to mention. The Size distribution part was like they were forced to stick it in to appeal to the prosumer market. I'm sure the engineering is top notch because the quality looks high, but their marketing and English department needs improvement for sure.

Any indications of price yet? Aside from looking very similar to the Fellow Ode, I'd guess the 064 will perform very similarly too. 064s burrs in contrast look like standard Mazzer/Italmill clones, although the stepped settings could be an issue for dialling in espresso (even though I'm sure there'll be a workaround eventually). However if you can swap in SSPs and it can handle dense beans at fine settings and slow RPMs, who knows it could be an interesting grinder. Issue with 078 is that currently you'd be tied into their burrs or maybe the Xeoleo ghost burrs so it's a shame they didn't bump the motor size up for the smaller model or go for a more standard burr size for this one.

New kickstarter campaign for TIMEMORE Sculptor

caffeinated-carp

Inspector I was hoping it would be more of a glowing recommendation than it was :) I’ve backed the 078s, not really sure what to go for - other options are more expensive (DF83 maybe? Niche Zero?) but I’d rather buy one to last for a while, would rather not sell in a couple of months

BrewLiam

caffeinated-carp in the same boat. I think after watching the review it is a good option for the price. He was just very focussed on filter over espresso.

I too would rather spend a little more on something I’ll keep. I’m also pretty sure the Niche after the possible VAT on the Timemore isn’t much more (if at all) in the UK.

caffeinated-carp

BrewLiam apparently the price you see will be the final price, no import duty etc. even if there was no more than the niche zero is only about £70 more in the UK

MattH

I might just bin my 064s pledge and just pickup the solo compact bella are selling for 199

caffeinated-carp

Emc2 he does seem to not like the niche in general. I can’t remember why now

MattH I might just bin my 064s pledge and just pickup the solo compact bella are selling for 199

May be irrelevant but the 064 just sounds very weedy. It sounds like it’s struggling, may well be rubbish and it makes little or no difference to how it grinds but it just sounds a bit…meh

Emc2

Niche zero was rated as 60% and the 078S was able to exploit the full potential of the coffee. I’m more interested in how the 078S compares to the Niche Duo. I think he said he prefers flat burrs which could explain why he didn’t prefer Niche zero.

chlorox

Emc2

Hedrick gave some conflicting signals about the 78s burr set - earlier he said that it brought out the full potential of the coffee but at the end he didn’t rate it as being as good as the df83 wirh ssp hu burrs to him. My take is that he was mostly focused in filter coffee and to test rhe hypothesis that some other have proposed that the 78s is better at filter than the 78. He roundly disagreed with that idea. His treatment of the 78s burrs for espresso seemed to be more by the way.

Having said that, his preferences seem to be firmly for light roast beans and for clarity. Since I suspect the 78s is targeted by timemore to be clearer than italmill but to give more body than ssp unimodals to be able to catch the biggest demographics of the home coffee enthusiasts, it’s no wonder hedrick was disappointed with the 78s burrs as he was expecting them to fall into his wheelhouse as well as the 78 turbo burrs did.

MediumRoastSteam

caffeinated-carp I can’t remember why now

Most likely because if he says he likes it, he won’t get as many viewers. One of the situations where he made his mind a while back and it’s unlikely he’ll change it now.

Most (maybe all?) of us associate Lance with someone who doesn’t like the Niche, at least not the taste it produces for the coffee he drinks for his own palate - which is no doubt a subjective thing anyway.

I’d be interested to hear what he says about the Duo. I think I already know, bit nonetheless, we shall see when he gets to it.

Cuprajake

Well it’s not a 78s we found out in the vid, no one seems to have the official 78s

My bug bear is you can’t compare a conical to flats. It’s not a fair fight. That and he really dislikes the zero. A better option would of been a df64 which is similar.

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake My bug bear is you can’t compare a conical to flats

Why not? They both grind coffee for the same method (espresso, as an example). Just because one use flat burrs and the other conicals doesn’t mean it can’t be compared. Can’t you compare a diesel car with a petrol car? Yes you can. In fact, I have compared, and found out that, for me, based on a very unscientific method and brief time I can’t tell the difference. 🤷‍♂️ (NIche Zero vs Niche Duo).

tompoland

MattH sorry to say much though I love a good Hoon he is one of the last influencers I would put a of faith in.

Cuprajake

tompoland what doesn’t he offer that the others do

Giphy - Game Show Dance GIF by ABC Network

Cuprajake

MediumRoastSteam doesn’t work like that though imo.

Every other grinder he compares them to are flats, that’s all I’m pointing out, the profiles of conical and flats are different and they do taste different to me, I find the zero quite dull, but I wouldn’t use it as a compare to my major as they are totally different.

As for cars petrol for the win anyday 😁

dfk41

MediumRoastSteam You do not drink diesel or petrol! My taste buds are pretty famous for being useless, but even I can taste the difference between a Zero and Duo using same bean

tompoland

Well there is that of course.

No, I’m fine with the laid back style. This was the one that tuned me out.

He’s done some helpful stuff for sure. But his methods for arriving at conclusions and therefore recommendations doesn’t have enough robustness for me to have confidence in his findings.

But hey, if people love his stuff, more power to them.

Cuprajake

tompoland I was joking somewhat

But hoon is what happens for me in reality and it shows how fragile coffe making can be. You will never get the same shot twice…

PartySausage

I was after the 078 for pourover duty to pair with my Zero but as It wasn’t available in the UK on Kickstarter I backed the 078s with a view to fitting some turbo burrs later on.
With the only real info available out in the wild being early reviews, it seems that swapping the burrs out could be a right faff & was a hairs breath from cancelling, however Timemore have announced that you can change your 078S pledge to a 078 in the survey that will be sent out at the end of the campaign

https://www.facebook.com/groups/www.timemore.sculptor/permalink/612336527518747/

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake Every other grinder he compares them to are flats, that’s all I’m pointing out,

Understood. I was going for what’s on the tin: yes you can compare the Zero with a blade grinder, but they are different categories. I can also compare the Zero with an HG-1, or Kinu M-68, or a Feldgrind 38mm conical. Different categories and prices.

Likewise I can compare a Monolith conical and a Monolith flat. They will presumably produce different profiles in the cup. But they both grind coffee for a brew method.

I do find sometimes people compare a Monolith Conical with a Niche Zero (example). They can be compared for sure, but it’s unlikely they will appeal to the same audiences due to their price differences.

Cuprajake

I think I just dislike the whole bullshittery that seems to be going on atm.

Sadly I’m addicted to forums, learning, YouTube or I’d bin it all off

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MWJB

Cuprajake Sadly I’m addicted to forums, learning, YouTube or I’d bin it all off

These these 3 aspects don’t necessarily dovetail. The best way to learn is to do it yourself, view forum & Youtube info with best intentions, but test it against real life experience. It’s not exciting, it’s slow so you can’t be up to date with the latest thing, you will have a limited frame of reference, it means you will be left out of many conversations, but you can have confidence in what you know.

By the time you have anything to share, the world will have turned and Spring’s endgame ‘whatever’ will be old news with the new influx of the new Summer ‘endgames’. Manufacturers will identify what the market wants, people with money want to spend, in a year or two we’ll find out if expectations were met. And so the cycle repeats…

tompoland

Cuprajake

If you have an addictive personality like me, there are worse ways to fill that need.

BrewLiam

I think one of my main concerns may have been answer by Timemore. Having not seen any actual 078s grinders, the reviews suggested the espresso burrs in the 078 had very little espresso range - maybe 0-2 or 3.

Reading this is seems it may be different on the actual 078s grinder. Think I’m going to keep my pledge for it and hope it’s a good bet for the price.

caffeinated-carp

BrewLiam this is very interesting because I would say it is probably the main thing putting me off about the 078s.

Why is it that no-one has a true 078s?

DavecUK

BrewLiam Finally an answer to my question on HB 18th April 23. I reproduce it here with a link to the post and the “non-answers” I received. Why people didn’t want to question it or even really put some thought into the question is beyond me? https://www.home-barista.com/grinders/new-timemore-sculptor-078-grinder-t83966-340.html#p926481

**brew509 wrote:**Lance Hedrick covered this briefly in his 078 video, and said it would be very easy to make stepless.

I watched it but didn’t really get what you have to do? I also can’t make any sense as to why the company has 4 grinders, the 64 and 64s and the 78 and 78s, if making them stepless is easy, it seems illogical. Two models with whichever 64 or 78 burr set you want would have been made sense and why produce stepped models at all?

I must be missing something, but not sure what?

All this serves to reinforce (in my mind) the super hard pushing and marketing this is getting when people (including influencers) either don’t have the facts, and in some cases might be being deliberately deceptive. Exactly the same thing seems to be going on with the meticulous. It seems to be a developing trend with coffee products!?

I like to feel I’m not a stupid person and when I have unanswered questions that keep nagging at me, I can’t get it out of my head that there is more going on.

Inspector

Wonder what happens when you install filter burrs in 78s then, can it grind fine for espresso.

BrewLiam

caffeinated-carp Why is it that no-one has a true 078s?

Yeah this doesn’t fill me with confidence. Maybe be optimistic and say they are saving the best for last…

Possibly last to be manufactured. I’m assuming the backers of that will be one of the last to receive. But, who knows.

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