Well, how about that! Niche just released an 83 mm flat burr grinder. Love my conical, but very interesting. They are using two burr sets: one for espresso and one for drip.

I backed the Timemore grinder. The Niche duo is twice the price but perhaps more likely to be reliable. I’m conflicted now…

Comes with two sets of burrs as standard, that's pretty good.

Anybody noted that the photo of the burrs show different rotation?

Hmmm all very interested and then its April 1st - bit as you can order it…. It does say its not shipping to July 2023. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png[/IMG][/URL]

On the one hand this doesn’t seem weird enough to be an April Fool’s. A Niche with a massive hopper or something would’ve been more of a joke. On the other, for a machine known for it’s great workflow, it seems slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day.

Tbh the ‘sold with two burrs’ is the only thing that makes me question this.

> @"Ernie1"#p40980 slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day. You don’t need to. But if you want to grind correctly for filter (as in, be more optimised for that method, extract better flavours etc) you are better off with the more appropriate burr set.

@"Igm45"#p40981 Didn’t someone reference a patent entry in this forum a couple of weeks back which alluded to that very design? Edit: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/47/93/9b/b7dc1dd206b3c3/WO2023274895A1.pdf

Niche flat burr released

tompoland

@Cuprajake had a look above but can’t see any reference to the which of the 151 series the burrs are. Have you had a look on the burrs for their respective numbers? Thanks Jake. I imagine you are quite bust at the moment.

tompoland

DavecUK super interesting thanks Dave.

This issue of burr height and the need for shims: is there a reason that burr swapping may be an issue for the Duo as opposed to other grinders like the DF83? Just pondering whether I keep the latter and grab use the Duo for burr swapping. Or maybe I’m better to hang on to the DF83 for burr swaps.

Thanks for your insights.

Cuprajake

Dave said above I think, 151b and 151f

The burrs are mounted to the carriers, changing burrs for say SSP would result in the zero point moving, niche recommendation is to keep the mazzer burrs as that’s what the grinder is built around.

I sold my SSp 3 months into testing, the duo gave a much more balanced cup,withess fines

tompoland

Cuprajake changing burrs for say SSP would result in the zero point moving

ah … got it. slow learner here. makes perfect sense. and it sounds like margins are pretty tight with the diameter too so mot all burrs are going to fit like that do with say a DF where there is a large circular gap around the burrs, inside the casing. thanks for the illumination @DavecUK and @Cuprajake

Petre

Cuprajake well, a lot of manufacturers say that we do it anyway huh? thing is, is there a serious reason it would not take ssp, like, the burr is too tall or motor can’t handle it?

Cuprajake

Nightrider_1uk

Waitforme hmm but then they’d have to change the name 🫣

They could call it the Niche Flat

Cuprajake

Waitforme i suppose its a bit hard from a manufacturing point of view, the filter burrs are the mazzer 151F, these cost around £90 to buy from looking online, the issue is what do you charge for the carrier, having looked at the machined aluminium, its worth more than £20, so if they sell the grinder for £700, do they then charge £150-170 for the filter burrs? would that be classed as a rip off? i dunno….see what im getting at. i can understand the considered frustration changing burrs daily, but its 60s out of the routine, the kettle takes longer to boil…

MattH

On the ofher hand - a uk sold df83 is 799 though its discounted by 100 as its a preorder… so having 2 sets of quality burrs would be a no brainer - if you were based in the UK.

Outside then the df83 is a cheaper option as there seems to be manys ways to either import at a discount - or there are local importers like bella barista(uk) offering the grinder in the local market.

Lets be honest if the duo had been released with a single set of burrs you could pick at checkout - I very much doubt the price would have moved much at all - their trade/buyin price for the burrs would be vastly different to a consumers retail price.

If nothing else its got alot of people talking 😂

Cuprajake

yeah, we as the uk have wierd pricing vs the rest of the world, but if we want one of the titan grinders we have the import side too, swings and roundabouts i suppose,

ive not really looked at the df83 so unsure what burrs they come with,

MattH

Cuprajake that seems to depend where you get it - import direct they now seem to ship with their own made burrs (for v2) but the ones coming into to Bella barista may have the italmils as before. I guess nothing is certain until they physically land here with them.

LMSC

The DF83 was initially priced at £799 for the stock italmil (is it still the case?) in the U.K, and now at £699. One may still need to buy a mazzer or SSP burrs set.

Importing it can cost between USD 600 and USD 700 plus VAT, import duty, postage, replacing the burrs and risks of return costs should there be an issue.

Compared to these two choices, IMO, the duo is priced well. Yeah! it’s fair enough that the prospects should have been given the choice of choosing one or both burrs to help them save some £££ depending on their choice.

I did wonder why Niche didn’t give this choice to the users. Only they can explain.

Re-the pricing and VAT for the non-UK users, this has been discussed and documented extensively even on this forum. It suffice to state that it does limit their market reach, considering the alternatives.

Edit :

MattH has echoed similar thoughts on pricing while I was drafting mine.

DavecUK

LMSC I did wonder why Niche didn’t give this choice to the users. Only they can explain.

Espresso burrs on ALL grinders do not give optimum results for brew…and there is no magical burr that can do both jobs excellently. It doesn’t matter what you read, what influencers say or what you have been told…it’s a logical impossibility because of the geometry and burr gap/distance constraints.

The Espresso burr on the Duo will of course make filter, if you don’t want to take the 60 sec to change burrs while the kettle boils. However, the filter burrs will be superior for filter and you can definitely taste the difference. The filter burr geometry is such that they absolutely will not double up to do espresso duty.

It’s time the myth of an omni burr is popped once and for all…..as much as I would like it to be true. I also find for me it expands my coffee Horizons as a single origin bean can be completely different depending on whether it’s espresso, americano, pour over (Kalita,V60 et…) or Aeropress. I am happy to take a minute or two extra to enjoy that variation.

For those that decide they will never do filter…you arguably get some very well machined ( and expensive to make) carriers to use any alternative burrs that may fit (and work OK) for different styles of roast.

prezes

The way I look at it is you get a 83mm flat burr single dose grinder from a reputable company with superb customer service @ £799 with the bonus of dedicated filter burrs included taking 60 seconds to replace without need for alignment etc.
I think it’s a superb offer.
I own a df83 and don’t intend to change it now as I am pleased with it but if both would’ve come out at the same time I would buy Niche Duo without a shadow of a doubt.

What stands out with niche in my opinion that it’s a complete product (at least the zero was). You don’t Need to change clump crusher, stickers, add plasma generators etc. I love the DF community and how they come up with add ons but the products seem to be rushed to the market.

Cuprajake

thats the way i look at it, its like a better version of my mazzer, takes up less counter space, i brew rarely now,

but i have been testing with the grinder.

LMSC

DavecUK Dave, can’t disagree. I am very well aware the espressos burrs do not give the best results as far as the filter is concerned. That’s why the manufacturers sell two separate burrs.

I do both filter and espresso every day. We make 6 cups at the max, 4 espressos and 2 filters (both for self).

That’s why I did not hesitate ordering the Duo.

But, with all respect, it still doesn’t the clarify that the choice could have been given to the prospects. Perhaps, this choice may have generated additional orders. I really doubt it would have saved £80 for the buyers for choosing only one of them.

I have no doubts offering the choice to the buyers would have occurred to them as well. Apart from what you have outlined, there must have been other considerations. 🤷

tompoland

DavecUK arguably get some very well machined ( and expensive to make) carriers to use any alternative burrs that may fit (and work OK) for different styles of roast.

Being in a burr-swapping-and-comparing phase at the moment, that is one of the great appeals of the Duo for me. It may not represent a lot of value for most people however.

But for me its a plus. Add low retention, a big 83mm flat, and it’s my first choice. It also helps that it comes in at only AU$170 more than a DF83.

DavecUK

LMSC I have no doubts offering the choice to the buyers would have occurred to them as well. Apart from what you have outlined, there must have been other considerations. 🤷

It’s sort of the “directors cut” concept……………if that analogy makes sense.

JHCCoffee

187 posts on a topic! Is this a record? There is obviously very keen interest in all things Niche, especially the Duo.

Jony

DavecUK

Not happy with you 😂

Dusk

I have no doubt that the Duo will sell very well but I’m not convinced people are going to be happy having to change burrs twice a day to enjoy their morning espresso and afternoon filter. I know it’s only 60 seconds but as a society we’re so used to things being instant that I think it will soon become frustrating. It just reminds me of why people don’t hand grind very often, this is something else that takes about 60 seconds but most people still don’t enjoy doing it enough not to eventually buy an electric grinder.

Cuprajake

Dusk could buy 2? ultimate flex lol

Ernie1

Dusk

Unscrew filter burrs, screw in espresso burrs, set grinder, get vacuum packed dose out of freezer, weigh beans, grind beans, wdt, tamp, extract with flow control…

Less espresso, more involuto…

prezes

Dusk the whole
Idea is that you don’t need to change them. You can grind on espresso burrs . But if you want perfect results you change the burrs or buy second grinder.

What other options are there?

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