Well, how about that! Niche just released an 83 mm flat burr grinder. Love my conical, but very interesting. They are using two burr sets: one for espresso and one for drip.

I backed the Timemore grinder. The Niche duo is twice the price but perhaps more likely to be reliable. I’m conflicted now…

Comes with two sets of burrs as standard, that's pretty good.

Anybody noted that the photo of the burrs show different rotation?

Hmmm all very interested and then its April 1st - bit as you can order it…. It does say its not shipping to July 2023. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png[/IMG][/URL]

On the one hand this doesn’t seem weird enough to be an April Fool’s. A Niche with a massive hopper or something would’ve been more of a joke. On the other, for a machine known for it’s great workflow, it seems slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day.

Tbh the ‘sold with two burrs’ is the only thing that makes me question this.

> @"Ernie1"#p40980 slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day. You don’t need to. But if you want to grind correctly for filter (as in, be more optimised for that method, extract better flavours etc) you are better off with the more appropriate burr set.

@"Igm45"#p40981 Didn’t someone reference a patent entry in this forum a couple of weeks back which alluded to that very design? Edit: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/47/93/9b/b7dc1dd206b3c3/WO2023274895A1.pdf

Niche flat burr released

tompoland

Ernie1 guess there’s not much else to compare it to at this point which is why it’s going up against commercials and Zeros.

DF83 is probably the closest competitor. Same burr size at least and relatively easy to swap burr sets and according to @wilburpan arpund 0.2 - 0.3g retention which is not too shabby.

wilburpan

tompoland DF83 is probably the closest competitor. Same burr size at least and relatively easy to swap burr sets and according to @wilburpan arpund 0.2 - 0.3g retention which is not too shabby.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but in my hands, the DF83 consistently puts out the same weight of ground coffee as the weight of beans that I put into it. I think that I’m pretty aggressive about using the bellows, which probably plays a role in this.

Ernie1

DavecUK

Fair points on how a lot of the commercial grinders ended up in the home because there wasn’t much else out there.

I think it also shows how the Niche effectively created a whole new list of areas to innovate on for the home market whereas commercial grinders just get faster/stronger/GBW features which don’t help move the home market forward in terms of quality in the cup.

I’m going to pretend I didn’t just see a photo of hoppers funnelled into a row of Niches.

pjw

DavecUK Apparently Schomer has Niches in all his locations….which amazed me.

Yes in Vivace they used it at first for decaf. Now looks like it is primary grinder, amazing.

Schomer was always looking for slow grinding (less then 2g/s) and minimal retention, to make sure the “American Ristretto” is done from freshly grinded beans. This is great coffee shop, when in Seattle, I always visit the bar.

FadedFrontiers No other SD grinder to my mind offers this and it’s a great innovation

This is something etzMax offers for long time now.

JonWoo187

pjw Never been in that area, but will definitely applaud Schomer for sticking to what he finds appealing in espresso regardless of the current Turd Wave fad. Sure, not everyone wants traditional espresso, but I for one will never tolerate the typical acidic underdeveloped crap trying to be passed off as espresso in most places. Still find it hilarious as to how much time/effort/$ is being put into equipment just for the sake of trying to make underdeveloped coffee more tolerable/palatable. Guess someone will always try to reinvent the wheel and there will always be a sucker born every minute, bwahahaha…

MWJB

JonWoo187 What makes you imply Schomer is traditional?

JonWoo187

MWJB Try reading a bit on what he dials everything in for. Far from the modern sewage 99% of shops spew out.

MWJB

JonWoo187 99% of shops are not spewing out ‘***wave fad coffee’.

I watched his TED talk, it seemed incongruous, to me, with his previous career as a metrologist.

I don’t know why you are being coy about how he dials in if you are well versed, how does it compare to parameters published by maybe Illy or INEI?

Not denying his influence in his local region, just asking what makes him ‘traditional’ specifically? (***wave espresso falls largely in accepted technical parameters).

You seem to have a deeply entrenched idea of what is good/bad, based on dogma, that may not encompass common/normal preferences

JonWoo187

MWJB I’m deeply entrenched in knowing precisely what is good/bad for ME and at the end of the day nothing else matters. Personally won’t step foot into another shop or buy roasted coffee again as for many years nothing I’ve had besides what I do myself has been worth repeating.

Read a bit more on Schomer and you’ll see why he is sticking to his beliefs and it simply/apparently works for his business model and has for years. Seems he stands out for sticking to what many consider is traditional espresso from his green selection/blending, roasting, grinding, etc. IMBHO that by far beats the acidic/underdeveloped crap most places serve. Taste is subjective and always will be and do what works for you and don’t simply follow the Turd Wave crowd/fad.

simonc

MediumRoastSteam I’d be up for that as local too!

MWJB

wilburpan You need to use 0.01g scales to determine dose consistency to approx. 0.1g. I don’t doubt your scales read the same to one decimal place from wholebean to ground, so does my Zero (dose consistency really about +/-0.4g), but that’s more down to the tolerance of the scales.

You can only really dose the wholebean to around +/-0.1g, meaning your grinder would need to know when to add/subtract 0.1g to ensure a consistent reading.

Ultimately, it doesn’t much matter if you are weighing the grinds out, you can just check in an extra bean or two and trim the dose.

wilburpan

MWJB Actually, how many decimals you have should let you measure to within 50% of the most precise digit of the measuring device you’re using, whether it’s a scale, a ruler, or something else. So if a scale reads out to 0.1g, you’ll have a variance of +/- 0.05g.

Now, my scale may be off by +/- 0.4g because it’s a piece of crap, but that’s a separate issue. I don’t think that my scale is the best by any means, and I’ve posted about this before. But I have no evidence to show that it’s off by +/- 0.4g, and I do think my DF83 does very well in terms of retention.

DavecUK

wilburpan Now, my scale may be off by +/- 0.4g because it’s a piece of ****, but that’s a separate issue. I don’t think that my scale is the best by any means, and I’ve posted about this before. But I have no evidence to show that it’s off by +/- 0.4g, and I do think my DF83 does very well in terms of retention.

In the scheme of things it doesn’t matter, I don’t believe people could taste the difference +/- 0.4g of dose inconsistency or exchanged coffee.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK - I certainly can’t. As an example however, this post:

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/1587-adding-minerals-post-brew/56

shows that some of us can taste minute changes in beverage ratio or volume, and have very specific and accurately measured recipes.

MWJB

You’re conflating resolution with precision.

I’m sure your DF83 is performing fine as low retention grinder.

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