Autumn coming early.

Cuprajake

I didnt even realise you were down the rabbit hole, if I had I wouldnt have bothered posting. I was merely following up what I believed (clearly in error) to be a genuine enquiry. My apologies for taking your request at facevalue

DavecUK

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/hottest-june-on-record

With graphs and explanation should you wish it

Cuprajake

I am not being obtuse but I am going to withdraw from the conversation as unforrtunately I know from past experience that such discussions have very little value once views are entrenched.

Such discussions should continue. We are all pals on this forum ad there is no reason why we cannot have a passionate discussion encompassing all sides of the debate. Nobody will ever be proved right or wrong so where is the harm? So far, I do not think many of the climate claims for the future have stacked up or happened, but if we wait ,long enough, one of the pigeons must come home! Not much talk of the 40 degree day this year. Why? The same runways exist with the same amount of jet traffic, but this summer despite the claim, is nowhere near as hot as last summer. I too, have full air con in my bungalow. There were many days and nights last year, that we would have traded anything for air con. This year, having it, I have not had to use it once. that might not be scientific, but it is the accurate truth

Snikom

Gagaryn Interesting. So, Dave and I are lying then, whilst the climate change loons are definitely not. I mean, 40 degrees last year, on a runway covered in black tarmac surrounded by jet planes. I mean, who would have thought. I am not disputing that Europe (as a fantastically large land mass) has high temperatures this summer. What I am saying is that we are not. We are experiencing a ‘norma’ British summer, if there is such a thing. How can this be though Gargaryn if we have damaged the earths fragile system? Has it repaired itself whilst hovering over Great Britain?

@dfk41 even the weather in the UK is depressed 😂

This tread is pointless as people will just argue, something the forum definitely doesn’t need imo.

dfk41 Lol at climate change loons! You know that there are climate change denying loons too, don’t you? They get everywhere, the loons!

Cuprajake If I agreed with Gargaryn, he would still disagree with me agreeing……LOL

Gagaryn Perhaps we are both members of opposing parties. It is impossible for either side to be proven right, or wrong. We will either be dead and therefore not aware, or we will not be dead…….difference is, being a loon, I do not live in fear of something that is no nearer actually happening that when these predictions first started happening. Sure the climate changes. Look out of the window. But if climate change is behind the heatwave of last year in the UK, what has happened this year and why?

And @Cuprajake…….it is quite possible to argue/debate without falling out. It is just healthy conversation

dfk41 No I wouldn’t! ;-)

Even if human activity is changing our climate….there is absolutely nothing we in the UK can do about it. So it’s completely pointless worrying about it.

I do not know one way or the other except……

The stuff I see of the polar caps and the melting ice and massive reduction of the ice shelfs. Is that down to the planet’s climate rising and if so, is it humans causing it? I haven’t got a scooby. Are those facts true? is it only in the last 60 years or so this has been happening or is it a cycical thing that regardless of what we do, it is something the earth goes through as a matter of course every so many hundred or thousands of years?

My logical (or illogical probably) brain says, if there is now more of a particular harmful substance, which granted has also in the past been emitted naturally (volcanos and the like) being pumped into the air, there is going to be an effect of some sort. Now, it is possible that before, the natural emission of this substance was counteracted by the planet by having huge areas of forestation to cope with it. But, because of the actions of humans those forests has and continues to be reduced dramatically, thus reducing the planet’s ability to adjust a bit like a young persons lungs against an old person with emphysema. So, the question is, does that inability lead to the average temperature of the earth rising and if so effect the weather patterns too? I’m buggered if I know, but again my logic says probably. As for the heat waves hitting areas or not as the case may be, maybe this rise in temperature also effects jet streams and how the scoot around the planet…I don’t know.

We cannot deny that what humans are doing on this planet must have some effect. Just look at what platsic waste and waste in general are doing or the dumping of raw sewage killing rivers.

All I do know is that the unfortunate thing about most humans be they individuals or governments or massive companies, most have a ‘live for today and sod tomorrow’ attitude. We have for the most part forgotten how to live with nature and because of our prolification, want or need to tame it and that never ends well. We look at people like amazonian tribes or the old American indigenous tribes and think them backwards, but they managed the natural resources didn’t destroy them. It is a myth that they hunted species to exctinction. Only modern man has killed species to exctinction…The Dodo being just one example.

The trouble with modern humans is that we invent and make wonderful things, many of which make our lives easier more comfortable, but in making these things we never considered what happens to them when they become useless or obsolete and have to be thrown away.

So, in conclusion there is only one thing I do know and cannot be sensibly or scientifically disputed….the earth is not flat!

Pompeyexile Ah yes, but, back in the day………..

Pompeyexile We have for the most part forgotten how to live with nature and because of our prolification, want or need to tame it and that never ends well. We look at people like amazonian tribes or the old American indigenous tribes and think them backwards, but they managed the natural resources didn’t destroy them.

We do live almost twice as long now though?