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dfk41 Thanks for this, we need you to provide us with the accurate truth. Just wish all these Europeans would stop complaining that it is too hot. They had a few Italians on the telly earlier claiming it was well into the 40’s where they were and getting hotter, and a few Spaniards and French claiming the same. Glad to hear that this is just more made up nonsense and it’s actually cooler than last year.
Gagaryn Interesting. So, Dave and I are lying then, whilst the climate change loons are definitely not. I mean, 40 degrees last year, on a runway covered in black tarmac surrounded by jet planes. I mean, who would have thought. I am not disputing that Europe (as a fantastically large land mass) has high temperatures this summer. What I am saying is that we are not. We are experiencing a ‘norma’ British summer, if there is such a thing. How can this be though Gargaryn if we have damaged the earths fragile system? Has it repaired itself whilst hovering over Great Britain?
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Not worth it guys agree to disagree
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Cuprajake If I agreed with Gargaryn, he would still disagree with me agreeing……LOL
Gagaryn Perhaps we are both members of opposing parties. It is impossible for either side to be proven right, or wrong. We will either be dead and therefore not aware, or we will not be dead…….difference is, being a loon, I do not live in fear of something that is no nearer actually happening that when these predictions first started happening. Sure the climate changes. Look out of the window. But if climate change is behind the heatwave of last year in the UK, what has happened this year and why?
And @Cuprajake…….it is quite possible to argue/debate without falling out. It is just healthy conversation
Even if human activity is changing our climate….there is absolutely nothing we in the UK can do about it. So it’s completely pointless worrying about it.
I do not know one way or the other except……
The stuff I see of the polar caps and the melting ice and massive reduction of the ice shelfs. Is that down to the planet’s climate rising and if so, is it humans causing it? I haven’t got a scooby. Are those facts true? is it only in the last 60 years or so this has been happening or is it a cycical thing that regardless of what we do, it is something the earth goes through as a matter of course every so many hundred or thousands of years?
My logical (or illogical probably) brain says, if there is now more of a particular harmful substance, which granted has also in the past been emitted naturally (volcanos and the like) being pumped into the air, there is going to be an effect of some sort. Now, it is possible that before, the natural emission of this substance was counteracted by the planet by having huge areas of forestation to cope with it. But, because of the actions of humans those forests has and continues to be reduced dramatically, thus reducing the planet’s ability to adjust a bit like a young persons lungs against an old person with emphysema. So, the question is, does that inability lead to the average temperature of the earth rising and if so effect the weather patterns too? I’m buggered if I know, but again my logic says probably. As for the heat waves hitting areas or not as the case may be, maybe this rise in temperature also effects jet streams and how the scoot around the planet…I don’t know.
We cannot deny that what humans are doing on this planet must have some effect. Just look at what platsic waste and waste in general are doing or the dumping of raw sewage killing rivers.
All I do know is that the unfortunate thing about most humans be they individuals or governments or massive companies, most have a ‘live for today and sod tomorrow’ attitude. We have for the most part forgotten how to live with nature and because of our prolification, want or need to tame it and that never ends well. We look at people like amazonian tribes or the old American indigenous tribes and think them backwards, but they managed the natural resources didn’t destroy them. It is a myth that they hunted species to exctinction. Only modern man has killed species to exctinction…The Dodo being just one example.
The trouble with modern humans is that we invent and make wonderful things, many of which make our lives easier more comfortable, but in making these things we never considered what happens to them when they become useless or obsolete and have to be thrown away.
So, in conclusion there is only one thing I do know and cannot be sensibly or scientifically disputed….the earth is not flat!
Pompeyexile Ah yes, but, back in the day………..
Pompeyexile We have for the most part forgotten how to live with nature and because of our prolification, want or need to tame it and that never ends well. We look at people like amazonian tribes or the old American indigenous tribes and think them backwards, but they managed the natural resources didn’t destroy them.
We do live almost twice as long now though?
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I’m hardly a climate campaigner and have little time for the gross disruptive protests but it’s hard to deny the change is real, whatever the cause.
Sadly the “it’s not my problem, I won’t be here to witness it” seems to be the mentality du jour, and not just with the climate.
Gotta admit it’s a mentality I’m guilty of sometimes.
Ernie1 but it’s hard to deny the change is real, whatever the cause.
I do not agree with that matey. Of course, at this exact moment in time things have/are changing. But, if you look back over time, the earth has been around for an awful long time. Within that timescale there have been many periods of change, and none of them man made. What caused the Ice Age? Man being to blame is a convenient state of affairs.
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I’m not saying man is the cause, I don’t know either way, just that change happens.
I think regardless of how real the long term impact is, there are very real byproducts of certain shifts in behaviour.
Anyone who’s walked/cycled through the haze of exhaust fumes on Euston Rd or Old St. in the last few years will appreciate the merits of less traffic or alternative motor-fuels.
Plastic doesn’t degrade, we know that, so using less of it means it we don’t have to worry about where it’s piling up.
And we’ve seen how destructive agriculture has been to rainforests. Even if you deny the impact on the global environment you can’t ignore the eradication of natural beauty and the habitat of many species.
We can do our bit, and enjoy life at the same time.
dfk41 I think you are forgetting one very important fact - that there were far fewer humans on the planet even a mere 100 years ago - never mind the preceding millennia.
In 1900 the global population was around 1.6 billion people. By 1950 that was about 2.5 billion people now there are over 8 billion people!
I would be amazed if such a sudden rapid growth in the population of any species didn’t impact on the environment - let alone an intelligent species that learns quickly how to exploit surrounding resources.
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Gagaryn 10 year rate growth is also at a 70 year low. Question: unless every country pulls together and we can adopt a universal strategy for the future, is there any point whatsoever in countries like the UK busting their balls to achieve net zero?
https://www.infoplease.com/world/population/total-population-world-decade-1950-2050
dfk41 Yes, rate of increase is now slowing but population is still increasing, not decreasing. The real damage was done in the last century. But barring a call we are stuck with the status quo! :-)
To answer your question - yes, a universal strategy is required for the future. No country can solve global issues alone. But I think there is still benefit in developing cleaner and more sustainable ways of living, it will become increasing necessary as there are now more humans battling for limited resources.
I agree the 2030 net zero target is BS. I also agree that even if the UK met that target (we won’t) it wouldn’t make a shred of difference globally. But my takeaway from that is that other countries need to do more, not that we need to do less.
Think that’s what needs talking about.
I can’t understand why new builds both home and commercial are not designed with solar panels feeding into the grid
Recently in Wales on holiday and I was sad to drive past a field with what seemed like a mile of solar panels covering it,
Till we can get the bigger countries on side we really are swimming up stream, also think that UK housing is so poorly built in general when you look to the homes in Scandinavia and how well insulated they are for instance.
I can’t help but feel the future will be the film idiocracy 😂
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