Decent Experience and Poll

The sad thing with all this is that UK companies miss out.

The likes of Bella barista.

I try to buy local if I can before going to the internet, sadly the internet has killed the bricks and mortar shops,

Bella barista are my go to, in fact most my machines have come through them.

Cuprajake

Yeah, I think I’ve bought 5 machines from BB including the Moccamaster and it’s a nice experience seeing their showroom as well as the great service.

I’ll always try and buy in a bricks and mortar if possible.

Point being you can buy a timemore over in the UK already.

Then the kick starter under cut it all.

There’s never going to be one solution to everything

I just prefer to buy local, where possible and have all the warrenty and come back that come with it.

Cuprajake Point being you can buy a timemore over in the UK already.

Sorry I missed the point. I thought we were talking about the Decent and the fact they sell direct to customer only.

Be better on the decent group for stuff like that, given there cost to the UK there are not loads here.

I’ve always fancied one, but the noise is not for me.

Decent have dropped the price some what though from looking

JHCCoffee Actually the OP (me) was actually querying about who owns a Decent (and which one)

Not me then. Actually my comment was related to the most recent posts, rather than the OP, as he thread took a slight digression.

Enjoy your day, over and out.

DavecUK interesting you put it that way. I have never gone that far to order a Decent, given how much it costs in the cart, but that’s … interesting.

If we speak frankly, they are trying to avoid VAT upfront to make the machine more appealing to buyers. I am certainly not a tax expert, but it feels shady to me…

I know you are wording carefully. But from my perspective they are “hacking” for their advantage. The proper way would be declare the whole value, or to let the customer buy the software and pay the VAT at the same time.

As I said I am no Tax expert, I am quite sure they have done their homework carefully to avoid any liability. Also I used the work “avoiding”, not “evasion” or “fraud”. Just think they are smart, but somewhat shady for doing so.

delta76 I do understand and in the end, we all pay for it, if we pay taxes. That uncollected VAT has to be made up somewhere.

delta76 I think it is very shady.

If their claimed value was true you should be able to buy the machine for $500 and run different software which they already advertise as a feature.

You should then be able to ‘upgrade’ to their software and pay appropriate tax.

You cannot and this proves the true value (and therefore tax liability). They are exploiting a grey area in tax law and if it was more mainstream I am sure it would be closed.

I would happily buy a decent for $500 and run alternate software!

This thread has been derailed completely…

theres not really many decent owners on here, so you wont get much in the way of feedback,

ive been tempted a few times by a decent but the poor milk performance and the vibe pumps really put me off, i also dont like the closed forum, but thats just me,

its a very clever machine,

Cuprajake I would be the same, if I could buy from somewhere like BB I would probably already have one.

Cuprajake obviously not a decent owner but i heard a different story, it is capable of making great microfoam. Comparable to GS3 which is said to be barista dream.

Of course not first hand experience but I would say if the older versions were weak on steaming power they would have fixed it by now. They keep evolving, quickly. I have to give them that

Maybe the newer ones do, I’ve not really looked too in-depth with them for a while.

I know there are a few cheaper used machines on decents site