Ocado have stopped selling V60 papers, so as I needed to go online to buy some more, I picked up a Switch at the same time. What methods are people using (grind size recommendations much appreciated - I have Niche Zero, Wilfa flat, Comandante X25 & Ode V1.1).

I've been enjoying the switch a lot, and the recipe that's worked best for me is the first one on this link: https://kurasu.kyoto/blogs/kurasu-journal/2-brewing-recipes-with-hario-immersion-dripper-switch On my Comandante C40, I'm at 16 clicks. Would be interesting to see what the guru makes of that recipe :)

@"MWJB"#139 Wouldn’t the usual V60 12% 400 and/or 9% 400 Kruve be a good starting point?

@"LMSC"#p52911 Possibly, I just want to see what's working for others as a first step.

@"wintoid"#p52910 Cheers, 10g dose at 16 on the X25, 157g in, 130g out resulting in a pleasant, well extracted cup (1.53%TDS). A bit more mouthfeel than a drip brew, but not necessarily a bad thing (buttery, rather than grainy).

> @"MWJB"#p52931 10g dose at 16 on the X25 Please do tell us the % Kruve 400 fines if you were to sift, going forward. Did you use the drip assist for this brew ? Thx

I am sure you guys would have seen JH’s video. https://youtube.com/watch?v=QjIvN8mlK9Y&si=QJZQTak07pW8CbXw

@"MWJB"#p52931 Nice to have the validation! That's my daily driver at the moment, or sometimes 12g to 200ml

Just curious. What is the difference between a Clever Dripper and a Hario Switch? In operation? In taste profile? I was thinking of getting one or the other, but not both. What are the pros and cons of each? Btw, the Clever is a bit too large for my liking, and I just can't find the small size here in Canada.

@"LMSC"#p52932 I just used regular kettle, no Drip Assist as it was not a percolation brew.

> @"JHCCoffee"#p52937 Just curious. What is the difference between a Clever Dripper and a Hario Switch? In operation? In taste profile? I was thinking of getting one or the other, but not both. What are the pros and cons of each? So I've just done a small Clever brew, same parameters as the Switch: Comandante X25 at 16, 10g coffee, 160g (+/-) water in in 15 or so sec, steep til 2:00, 3x back & forth stirs, draw down at 2:15. Extractions were comparable at 1.53% TDS for the Switch & 1.52% for the Clever, Clever brew had couple of g more water. Draw down was 47s on the Switch, 112s on the Clever. The Clever cup was nowhere near as clean, more swampy/pithy, I subjectively scored a 5/9 compared to 7/9 for the Switch. Bear in mind, this is not my typical method for the Clever, just a direct comparison between the 2 brewers, my normal Clever methods tend to produce better cups than this (no lower in preference than any other dialled in method). You wouldn't keep making sub standard cups on the Clever, just so that you didn't have to change method between them. Pros: Clever requires no switching, this is done automatically by placing the brewer on a cup. Clever's plastic handle is always cool to the touch. (No handle on the Switch cone section, but the base is rubbery/silicone). Switch has the ability to use different size glass V60 & Mugen cones on the same base. Cons: Steeps in the Clever can have a plasticky taint (always has on & off)…as my Switch is new I can't say how this will be affected in the future. I'd really just go for the Switch as long as V60 papers are easy to source where you live.

Hario Switch

MWJB

One possible glitch to be aware of - I inverted my switch whilst cleaning it yesterday, today flipped up the switch, to stop flow, whilst preheating and the water just passed straight through. It seems the bearing can lodge itself in the base of the cone,

LMSC

MWJB It seems the bearing can lodge itself in the base of the cone,

It does. It happens to me and this entire part doesn’t give me durability confidence.

Edit:
The switch does dislodge more often than the bearings. This switch is not stable IMO and one needs to be very careful while opening and closing.

MWJB

LMSC Mine lives on a brew stand, so it’s fully supported all around its base.

Systemic

I managed to dislodge the plastic lever which is pretty delicate. Getting it to go back had me worried it would snap if I applied too much pressure. Thankfully, it didn’t.

Jony

Looks like will need a Kruve soon, not sure why it’s taken so long, probably going to have to get the 3 cup as well 😂

MWJB

LMSC To MWJB, “do you pick a difference in taste or yield between Switch as a pour over versus V60 ?”

5 pairs of cups down, so far preferring the Switch, average EY is half a % higher than V60 02, average time is 1 second different, but consistency seems a little better with the Switch & subjective flavour preference too - V60 6.8/9.0, Switch 7.4/9.0.

Brew procedure - Preheat glass V60 02 & Switch with water right off boil in a Pyrex jug, shake out water and place on brew stand, add 13.8 coffee (same grinds for both), Drip Assist 5×40g brew water every 40s, 2 pours centre, 3 outer ring.

HarveyMushman

MWJB

Have you tried a Kalita Wave and/or Origami?

I was about to order a new V60 as it’s all I’ve used for 20 years but wondered how other manual pourover brewers compare.

MWJB

MWJB LMSC To MWJB, “do you pick a difference in taste or yield between Switch as a pour over versus V60 ?”

5 pairs of cups down, so far preferring the Switch, average EY is half a % higher than V60 02, average time is 1 second different, but consistency seems a little better with the Switch & subjective flavour preference too - V60 6.8/9.0, Switch 7.4/9.0.

Brew procedure - Preheat glass V60 02 & Switch with water right off boil in a Pyrex jug, shake out water and place on brew stand, add 13.8 coffee (same grinds for both), Drip Assist 5×40g brew water every 40s, 2 pours centre, 3 outer ring.

Now completed 10 pairs (2 different beans, each using 5 different grinders), avg EY still half a % higher for Switch, still 1 second avg difference in total brew time, 6.6/9.0 avg subjective taste score for V60, 7.60/9.0 avg for Switch 02.

MWJB

HarveyMushman I have a steel Kalita Wave 185, it’s fine, doesn’t do anything you can’t achieve with a V60. You need to adjust the pour regime to normalise extraction and be conscious of not kicking up the shallow bed to much (V60/Switch deeper bed needs more agitation in the early stages of the brew).

One reason I tend to use the Kalita Wave less is because the supply of papers can be more sporadic (I use both 155&185 white papers), also storage of basket shaped papers is less convenient than filters that store flat.

Never used an Origami.

HarveyMushman

MWJB

Thanks! That makes sense. Good point on the filter storage too, hadn’t considered that.

LMSC

@MWJB

Thanks for sharing the outcome.

I brewed the Blossom’s Costa Rica Natural Anaerobic a few times this week side by side in sequence.

Although I can’t measure the yield, (a) I did not see a noticeable difference in taste when I used the switch as a V60; and, (b) a noticeable differences in fruity taste and acidity were seen when I tried it a hybrid V60 meaning 40s blooming after pouring 45g water, open the switch and follow the usual V60 routine. I liked this cup a lot more than the standard V60 and also the traditional switch routine of pouring all water, stir at 2:00 or 4:00 to drain at 3:00 or 5:00. I scored the (b) at 8/9 versus 7.5/9 elsewhere.

I haven’t brewed the Smithstreet on the switch as a a V60 yet. I will brew on the switch and report.

I guess, I need to experiment a few more bags and see. Thx 😊

Edit:

I always preheat the switch and V60 with filter papers. I also use the pre-heated diffuser.

LMSC

Our the morning coffee is always one large brew for two of us on week days. The Switch 03 is pretty handy.

Opened the Cartwheel Myanmar The Lady, CM Natural, Red Catual, filter coffee. Brewed 30g, 450g water, 3 pulses of 150g each lasting 30s, stirred at 2:00 and 4:00 and drained at 5:00. It was as usual at 12% 400 Kruve. I haven’t had time to sift it yet.

It is a decent coffee, but didn’t stand out like their Thailand. It had a soft fruity acidity and taste as in stone fruit and sweet grape fruit (they had Pomelo on the bag) with a slight dry edge at the finish and a sugar after taste. I did not get any other notes (pineapple and honey) described on the bag. I was a little disappointed brewing, tbh. It was a pretty weak brew, IMO. I would score this 7/9. I think, I will try brewing a hybrid V60 at 75g/L and see.

@MWJB How do you brew a large batch like this brew please? Thx

MWJB

LMSC I don’t brew large batches in V60/Switch, I’d make 2 brews simultaneously.

You say there were 3×150g pulses, if all the water is kept in the brewer for 5:00, why do you need to pour in pulses? I would only do this for percolation stages, or when alternating between steep & percolation.

LMSC

MWJB You say there were 3×150g pulses, if all the water is kept in the brewer for 5:00, why do you need to pour in pulses

No real reason! Unless it is a Hybrid V60, I follow one of the 3 methods, which are pour all water in one go, 3 pulses, and 1 pulse to bloom for 1 min + the rest after that as a draw down. There is no noticeable difference in taste in either of the three. There could be a difference in yield, perhaps. 😊

Very convenient on week days, especially during the crazy morning time. 😁

LMSC

MWJB avg EY still half a % higher for Switch

Interesting that both the yield and the taste are consistently higher for the switch.

I wonder is it the material or the thermal properties making a difference! 😊

Thank you!

MWJB

LMSC Sure, I suspect that the more efficient preheating and heat retention are playing a part. Both my V60 and the Switch have the glass 02 cones.

tompoland

Greetings all, I’ve been using the a switch recipe that I posted previously but for my blind split tests I’ve struck a snag.

The short version is that because I want to blind taste compare the brew from two filter burrs at the same temperature immediately post pour, I need to pour simultaneously.

Currently, even a 15 second lag time between pouring one brew and the next, results in a 3 degree celcius difference in the cup.

FYI: I have two of everything: grinders, kettles, switches, which I use for blind taste test comparisions.

What I’m after therefore is a simple recipe that works for the switch (or a dripper e.g. Fellow Staff X) so I can pour simultaneously into the two drippers, one kettle in each hand.

All suggestions will be gratefully tested.

MWJB

tompoland

Switch 02 with bagged Japanese 01 white papers, preheated with about 100ml boiling water then valve open throughout, 13.8g coffee, 5×40g of brew water (right off boil) poured every 40s, each pour taking about 15s, first 2 in the centre of the 02 Drip Assist, last three in the ring.

Grind 21 on Comandante X25, 73.5 on Niche Zero, 3.33 on Ode V1.1, 25 on Wilfa flat.

tompoland

MWJB copied, printed, will start this weekend. thanks.

tompoland

MWJB I may have solved the problem of different temperatures for the two different brews in my blind split taste comparision.

I figured out the the temperature difference of 3c can be balanced by pouring both brews into the fellow ode latte cups (double walled) and letting them sit for 30 seconds, then pouring the hotter brew (the second one) into a fresh unheated cup. It takes another 30 seconds but the cup drops the temperature by exactly 3 degrees so that both brews are either reading the same temperature or are within 1c of each other at worst..

I’ll still be trying your recipe this weekend thanks.

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