Evening looks like the Philios is out in the wild (well to someone on youtube !) Looking forward to the review https://youtube.com/shorts/a0Upq7N2v0E?si=O01ykOp7RBmrD5ff

Excitement builds!! Looking at the architecture it looks like someone in the UK too! I have absolutely zero interest in what the influencers think of this one, it’s a day one purchase for me.

@"HarveyMushman"#p60274 yes he is defo in the Uk - i do like his videos! I have not ordered the gbw allground - kinda waiting to see what the philos is like.. tbh nothing wrong with my current allground….. Still cannot see a price officially on the mazzer site - nor of they will have a reseller in the UK rather than a import from Venice.

I might’ve imagined this but I think @"DavecUK"#1 suggested Mazzer will retail this themselves and aim for a sub £1k price point (possibly for early adopters, with a later price rise). I’ve been waiting years for a single-dose, multi-method grinder from a heritage manufacturer that I like the design of. The latter two usually being the reason for me not buying anything yet. Tbh, even if it’s not perfect it’ll be an upgrade on my current setup and like the LM, just nice to own and use.

Looks great. I think I’ve read somewhere it’s between 900-100 euros.

@"Emc2"#p60303 I wish it was a 100 euros 😂

Quick snap from youtube as he has it on the shelf - and gives some nice size comparisons [URL=https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Rumours on HB, so take this with a pinch of salt, are that the Philos has been delayed. Wouldn’t surprise me given the impact global conflicts on supply chains.

Yeah I saw that. Though made me laugh that places took deposits and then refunded especially as I thought that mazzer were selling them direct to start with… but theres no info in the mazzer site either. Just waiting to see the review tbh - anyhow my blind shaker is about to arrive - so something else to play with 😂

Yeah the retailers I've spoken to in the UK said they had no plans to stock it. Looks like it will indeed be Mazzer direct. I can see the reviews being disappointing. There's no shortage of low priced 64mm flats and people who don't care about build quality, place of build and manufacturer heritage are going to say it's overpriced and find plenty of flaws I'm sure. It's an interesting price point because you can get capable single dosers for half the price or less, and it's obviously not going to compete with the top-end grinders like Kafateks etc. I think the only way this will sell well in the current market is if influencers really get behind it. Then again, I don't think Mazzer necessarily need it to sell massively well as the home market still isn't their bread and butter. I'm excited for it and have said before, will be buying it regardless but I don't expect it to be a flawless grinder.

depends really, the build should be better than that of the df and time mores, you would think, but its a saturated market there has been a zerno fs and a kafatec and weber eg1 all around £1500 on the old forum

Mazzer Philos

InfamousTuba

I mean what is an endgame grinder for most people? Dropping ~£1000 on a grinder would be endgame for a lot of people. The niche zero would be an endgame grinder for most people as well.

Same for espresso machines or cars or any other hobby, there are different end goals for a lot of people

dfk41

In my dsy, entertainment was watching The Good Life, not some person endlessly trying to make a living by promoting themselves as the next best coffee expert whose sole job is to influence. I do admire the few who do not take this approach, especially Thomas aka The Wired Gourmet. Anyone who has not seen this video on the importance of influencers, please waste a few minutes!

HarveyMushman

dfk41

I don’t disagree and find it a bit cringe but I’ve said it before, I don’t blame anyone for trying.

I’ve done fairly well in my field which can be a lucrative industry but when I’m asked for advice for people at the start of their career I’m often tempted to just say ‘become a YouTuber instead’…

You can see why people do it when you compare the stagnant compensation of many other vocations.

Cuprajake

Giphy - Avengers Assemble GIF by MOODMAN

Platypus

“Endgame”? I think we are only just getting started. I can’t believe how much the grinder landscape has changed so quickly since the introduction of the Niche Zero led the way for single dose grinding.
I would love to look into the future and see what more there is coming say in 3 -5-10 years down the line. A horse is only as good as it’s last race and I imagine there will plenty more coming up on the inside, good and bad.

giampiero

At least, endgame is better than killer.

Anyway i have a technical curiosity, i saw another video where a guy from Mazzer said that horizontal burrs require a motor with more torque then vertical burrs.

It’s because the feeder/breaker does push faster ( faster than a gravity feed) the beans between the burrs?

FadedFrontiers

giampiero It’s because the feeder/breaker does push faster ( faster than a gravity feed) the beans between the burrs?

The video linked above said the auger slows down the feed of beans into the burrs and isn’t a full pre-breaker.

giampiero

FadedFrontiers Gotcha, even the video i watched said the auger is a slow feeder….but i previously missed that part.

Still unclear to me why an horizontal burrs grinder require a motor with higher torque, moreover in a single dose horizontal burrs grinder is basically impossible to start the grinder with the burrs already packed with beans.🤔

Raja123

These videos are great. What would there to post about if there were no influencers? They give life meaning! 😆

dfk41

Raja123 Are you old enough to remember life before the internet……strangely enough, we had no problem in filling in every day!

Raja123

Yes, I’m 51. Still have a stick and wheel somewhere…. those were the days…

Now, we are relegated to telling ourselves how great we are and that we wish we could rescue the world from the evil clutches of YouTube. 😂

Adrianmsmith

Raja123 Now, we are relegated to telling ourselves how great we are and that we wish we could rescue the world from the evil clutches of

……influencers, vloggers and bloggers. Hahaha

Raja123

Adrianmsmith who mostly use YouTube…..mostly…

Cuprajake

Giphy - id buy that for a dollar GIF

dfk41

Cuprajake

youtube is primetime tv now imo. its the platform, but there are alot of big channels slowing down as the ad money is also slowing down

Raja123

turning into a platform for AI-generated content. I wonder if forums will go the same way…lol

DavecUK

Raja123 turning into a platform for AI-generated content. I wonder if forums will go the same way…lol

Hope not, can you imagine some of the advice!

That said, I think there is now a chat gpt add on for freeflarum

Raja123

DavecUK Im sure it could be trained to post a link to an influencer video, and then generate 5-7 replies about how evil those people are, the advice shouldn’t be followed, and how it would be great if unwitting people didn’t fall prey to them. Then, all we’d have to do is come in and read instead of post. :D

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK That said, I think there is now a chat gpt add on for freeflarum

Might be a good idea to give it a go. If it is trained based on the content of the posts rather than the subject lines only, it could be a great utility to facilitate search and common questions, like “how do I descale my machine?” Or “why does the temperature on my Elizabeth goes to 120C”, or “How to make my own water for my coffee machine?” Etc.

dfk41

giampiero The Eureka Mythos is the original grinder to have vertical model mounted burrs, in this case at a 45 degree angle. It is also an out and out commercial that is also hopper fed. This means that there will always be beans in the auger

giampiero

dfk41 I think i generate some confusion about horizontal and vertical burrs….which in true i should mention about horizontal or vertical motor shaft. Obviously i’m speaking about the Philos, and my curiosity was why the Mazzer guy said that the Philos ( horizontal motor shaft and vertical burrs) require a motor with higher torque compared to a Super Jolly ( vertical motor shaft, horizontal burrs).

MWJB

dfk41 The Eureka Mythos is the original grinder to have vertical model mounted burrs, in this case at a 45 degree angle. It is also an out and out commercial that is also hopper fed. This means that there will always be beans in the auger

There were vertically mounted coffee grinder burrs about a hundred years ago.

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