Evening looks like the Philios is out in the wild (well to someone on youtube !) Looking forward to the review https://youtube.com/shorts/a0Upq7N2v0E?si=O01ykOp7RBmrD5ff

Excitement builds!! Looking at the architecture it looks like someone in the UK too! I have absolutely zero interest in what the influencers think of this one, it’s a day one purchase for me.

@"HarveyMushman"#p60274 yes he is defo in the Uk - i do like his videos! I have not ordered the gbw allground - kinda waiting to see what the philos is like.. tbh nothing wrong with my current allground….. Still cannot see a price officially on the mazzer site - nor of they will have a reseller in the UK rather than a import from Venice.

I might’ve imagined this but I think @"DavecUK"#1 suggested Mazzer will retail this themselves and aim for a sub £1k price point (possibly for early adopters, with a later price rise). I’ve been waiting years for a single-dose, multi-method grinder from a heritage manufacturer that I like the design of. The latter two usually being the reason for me not buying anything yet. Tbh, even if it’s not perfect it’ll be an upgrade on my current setup and like the LM, just nice to own and use.

Looks great. I think I’ve read somewhere it’s between 900-100 euros.

@"Emc2"#p60303 I wish it was a 100 euros 😂

Quick snap from youtube as he has it on the shelf - and gives some nice size comparisons [URL=https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Rumours on HB, so take this with a pinch of salt, are that the Philos has been delayed. Wouldn’t surprise me given the impact global conflicts on supply chains.

Yeah I saw that. Though made me laugh that places took deposits and then refunded especially as I thought that mazzer were selling them direct to start with… but theres no info in the mazzer site either. Just waiting to see the review tbh - anyhow my blind shaker is about to arrive - so something else to play with 😂

Yeah the retailers I've spoken to in the UK said they had no plans to stock it. Looks like it will indeed be Mazzer direct. I can see the reviews being disappointing. There's no shortage of low priced 64mm flats and people who don't care about build quality, place of build and manufacturer heritage are going to say it's overpriced and find plenty of flaws I'm sure. It's an interesting price point because you can get capable single dosers for half the price or less, and it's obviously not going to compete with the top-end grinders like Kafateks etc. I think the only way this will sell well in the current market is if influencers really get behind it. Then again, I don't think Mazzer necessarily need it to sell massively well as the home market still isn't their bread and butter. I'm excited for it and have said before, will be buying it regardless but I don't expect it to be a flawless grinder.

depends really, the build should be better than that of the df and time mores, you would think, but its a saturated market there has been a zerno fs and a kafatec and weber eg1 all around £1500 on the old forum

Mazzer Philos

HarveyMushman

Adrianmsmith them were the days!!

😂 I was thinking exactly that.

I remember when I bought my £90 Baratza all those years ago thinking I was out of my mind spending so much on a grinder.

Now here we are and I’ve spent double that on wooden lids for a grinder 😅

It’s absolutely wild how easy it is to get deep into this hobby. I’ve been weighing up a £1700 pizza oven thinking blimey that’s a bit much, while sipping my espresso from a La Marzocco…

Fast forward five years when inevitably a couple of guys are over from Naples building a custom dome in the garden with bespoke mosaic tiles.

DavecUK

HarveyMushman Just don’t become gluten intolerant

HarveyMushman

DavecUK

Not sure which would be worse, gluten intolerance or caffeine intolerance!

prezes

I’ve been cold starting as opposed to hot starting as many do mainly due to the lid which you can’t see through and occasionally a bean or two can jump back out before you close the latch.

After a fair bit of trying I managed to match a lid that fits so I can see through the top. Had to paint it black as it was blueish which was an eyesore.

HarveyMushman

That looks ideal!

I’ve been considering asking the guy who does the nice wood-turning on HB to make something but I’m slightly concerned about getting the dimensions slightly off and forking out for something from the US that doesn’t fit properly.

If I can find an appropriately sized wooden lid then a forstner bit and some perspex is an option.

prezes

HarveyMushman yes, wooden lid with Perspex would be ideal solution as well !

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Had another attempt with the lid today as managed to closely match a wooden lid of a glass container. Drilled a hole and as had some old thick perspex lying about cut a slightly larger sized circle. Initially thought of just using a larger one but attempted to shave it off and managed to fit it inside. Ended up with scratches unfortunately while doing so. Not sure how to get around the hole in the middle .

HarveyMushman

prezes

Brilliant!

That’s exactly the thing the Philos needs. What was the lid from? I’ve been struggling to find one the right diameter.

I noticed the plastic one has a rubber seal too so keen to get the right size to accommodate the seal too.

prezes

HarveyMushman what I’ve done is made a cut out of paper which I’ve got in the wallet and whenever I’m somewhere that sells anything that could remotely work I measure it using the piece of paper 😆

this came from the a kitchen glass storage jar

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My urge for tinkering and finding things to do kicked in again. I was curious how well is it going to cope with grinding straight to the portafilter. The fork stopping the cup is slightly in the way so removed one of the screws holding it and the portafilter fits perfect on a stand.

To my surprise it handles it well as was expecting coffee flying everywhere. There’s visibly more static as the grinds get closer to the chute but it gets released with the knocker easily.

Jony

So I’ve noticed I’m not getting flavour through so much now. Any one else fancy doing a Burr exchange for a month or so

Adrianmsmith

Jony what burrs do you have and what’s your location.

Id be interested to try the 189, i have 200.

Just seen your location 😎

And one more thing….. does yours still grind coffee all over the base when you’re not looking 🤭

MediumRoastSteam

Jony So I’ve noticed I’m not getting flavour through so much now

Do not underestimate the powers of the human mind. You simply might have got used to the taste. When you got the grinder it was “bang, wow” - but now it’s just more of the same. just bear that in mind as a possibility.

Easycoffee

Adrianmsmith

Had that happen a couple of times 😭

Jony

Well I could do with the 189s. Haha

HarveyMushman

Yep, same here.

I would say it’s because you can’t see if the cup is under the chute but that doesn’t make up for the fact it’s right in front of me next to the grinder…

Easycoffee

So has any ody changed burrs on their Philos?

Mine came with the 200′ s.

Would 233M or 189′ s from a super Jolly work?

The i189D seems a bit expensive .

Adrianmsmith

Easycoffee

I believe theres some washer or shim required if not using the philos specific burrs due to the centre hole size letting coffee under the burr . Im waiting for mazzer to release the i189 and give them a try!!

There are a few articles around regarding non mazzer burr trials.

Will add a link if i come across something later!!

Jony

Not yet ,soon as funds allow

dfk41

Adrianmsmith Question: if you took these Mazzer Philos burrs and put them in to a different make of grinder (thinking as Niche did) would it be just as good? After all, a coffee grinder is basically a coffee grinder which is a case, burrs, a motor and some design. I do not like Mazzer as a barnd I am afraid. They conjure up workhorses in a commercial environment

MediumRoastSteam

dfk41 - presumably it would not. Similar maybe, but not quite he same. There’s the speed of grinding and chamber design. Static. Retention. All sorts. A coffee machine technically only pushes water at pressure through a puck of finely ground compressed coffee, but we all know there’s a lot more to it then just the pump and the group. 😊

Easycoffee

dfk41

In my espresso journey That’s s been lasting for over 35 years I have owned a few Mazzers.And Mazzer is the only brand I never had any issue with .Non.

To me the best brand out there

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