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in which case - the winner is - hands down - Craig Lyn HG-1 Prime
philos has retention without the thwacker
max has retention without bellows or thwacker - not sure if both are actually necessary
Key is a nightmare without RDT
But swap without to with and were good :-)
i’m lost for a suitable analogy!! I do still , even at my age, like licking the bowl out after my wife has finished making a cheesecake!! -she says the bowel is empty.