There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

Adrianmsmith

DavecUK

Haha

Yes, was just going to touch it up. Didn’t want to get technical but it is “white” where it came off. Not really reportable, you should see some stuff we have come back from the powder coaters!!

Thought of dremelling the whole circumference around the outlet and highlighting it. …. One day!! Too many things on that particular list 🤫

Robti

a bit late but cant find this on the BB site ?

Adrianmsmith

Robti

It is not on the site.

You need to call or email them.

Robti

Adrianmsmith so is there only one model to ask for ?

its okay i have emailed them

Adrianmsmith

Robti

Email [elise@bellabarista.co.uk](mailto:elise@bellabarista.co.uk) or speak to Elise

It’s the T64 grinder but not the Profitec T64

Read further up this thread regarding advertising of the grinder as well as the “DF” range that they stock.

DavecUK

Robti Ask for the one with the SSP burrs, as new models are coming in…shhh

AlexW88

Grinders turned up. Looks a great bit of kit. Do I need to “season” the burrs or just use as per normal?

Thanks again for the tips on here so far.

Adrianmsmith

AlexW88

Just use it☕

It will get better as time goes on

If they sent a failed roast bag use it to get used to it.

Probably thats not worth brewing with and drinking though?!

I used it to dial in but didn’t actually drink. Had a sip and it wasn’t my cup of tea (haha)

Other than that I don’t normally advocate wasting it for the sake of it 😎

AlexW88

Amazing. Thank you. Yes they have sent a bag of failed quality beans. Will have a play.

DavecUK

AlexW88 because the burrs are surface processed, they get a lot of the rough edges knocked of in the prep work prior to the red speed process.

Robti

Can I just confirm call up and ask for a T64 grinder with ssp burrs and I should get the one everyone is talking about and what is the current price atm ?

Thanks

AlexW88

Robti yes Rob I emailed and got sorted very quickly.

KyleT

Apparently they are now all sold. No more until Autumn.

Robti

Oh well that will teach me to visit more often

DavecUK

Robti Oh well that will teach me to visit more often

£459 for a variable speed 64mm grinder with SSP HU espresso red speed burrs….bargain missed!

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK for a variable speed

I still don’t understand the fuzz around variable speed. Apparently low speeds are best. Is this only for clearing the grinder chamber, as an alternative to the bellows?

KyleT

MediumRoastSteam I think the theory is slower rpm = less fines which is more important for filter coffee rather than espresso.

MediumRoastSteam

KyleT - But this grinder goes from 800rpm to approx. 2000 (or whatever). On Dave’s video, he runs on 800, and that’s for espresso.

KyleT

MediumRoastSteam yes I believe that Dave is running at 800rpm so that he can increase speed at the end of grinding to clear retention. I don’t believe he is doing it for a better result in the cup.

DavecUK

KyleT I don’t believe he is doing it for a better result in the cup.

I prefer a slower grind for in the cup results

KyleT

DavecUK fair enough, I stand corrected.

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