There is a new grinder about to hit the market from Bella Barista the T64, **not to be confused** with the Profitec T64. It's a 64mm flat burr grinder, produced by a Chinese manufacturer, I had a prototype and already a few enhancements have been recommended by me to BB so they can fine tune their offering. **The grinder in the video doesn't have an extra movable zero collar, the revised grinder does,** and it means the zero point can be adjusted should you ever change/use different burrs. The BB grinders will have this as standard. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/P1d9vPj.png] Secondly, the grinder can be purchased with Italmill, Chinese, or SSP burrs. **Bella Barista have decided to only offer it with SSP burrs at this time.** I truly don't know what burrs mine has, but I suspect it's not SSP burrs, even though it's working great! These videos introduce the T64 grinder, it's a nice variable speed flat burr grinder that produces excellent in cup results. It's is being launched by Bella Barista in the UK. https://bellabarista.co.uk/ The power brick you see is for my cabinet lights, the grinder plugs directly into the mains and is 230/240 volt. The grind cup, extension funnel and forks are all for the standard 58mm porta filter and made of good quality thick aluminium, not plastic The grinder is being returned early next week, so any questions, ask them quickly. https://youtu.be/VZYepwWagvw?si=b5Uk_yfMl28Aan73 https://youtu.be/XQLxMeQupsA?si=6tNlNFMCLu-5bFzs Now if you read this far I don't feel it's appropriate to disclose the planned pricing of this grinder in advance of BB announcement. But they will be doing a forum special at a price that if they step up and do what they say, will be unbelievably good and I don't say that lightly.

Thanks Dave, there is a "BG T64" on YT that may be the same. Looks pretty solid. Pretty sure the burrs are not SSP given the color variation but videos and lighting can be deceptive. https://youtu.be/vX-StUEhe4A?si=c44173JKA3buBr9z One concern in the comments in the YT thread was "it's stepless until it's not" referring to the dial drifting under load to a stepped point. The video was front August 2023 and it's normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I'm wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have?

> @"tompoland"#p63075 The video was front August 2023 and it’s normally an easy fix for the manufacturer so I’m wondering if you noticed any drift in the unit you have? I got my unit from BB in January and it was stepped…I (damaged the stepped pin to jam it in, as you can't pull it out), this made it stepless. I did this after realising going in between steps was imprecise, it would possibly "fall off" the steps and move…plus it wasn't mine and would be going back (It actually is being collected by Bella Barista next week). As stepless, it's never moved or drifted at all and the company have been asked to make the BB grinders stepless. Also to add a re-zero ring as they might be factory zeroed, but if people change burrs then the zero may be lost. Also the factories zero might not always bee 100% correct. There is one big difference you perhaps didn't spot…**it's not variable speed**, mine goes from 800-2000 rpm, which is how I can use it to clear grinds without using the bellows. There are some other differences in the video to the unit I have, some small some larger * **The grinder in the video has a 200W motor, my unit has a 300W motor** * Aluminium lid with wood top cover on mine (looks nice, adds a bit of contrast. * The ring that fits on top of the grinds cup has two grippy o rings machines in to it stays in place nicely * The grinder I have it I believe slightly heavier. But they look like they are from the same company and offer the same 3 burr options…obviously I suggested to BB to only use SSP burrs, because they are a known quantity and the quality of construction merits it. *P.S.The Evo portafilter funnel for LSM size portafilter from Norvin (thanks again Norvin), fits a groove in the grind cup perfectly as you saw on the video, making it super easy to use with my 53.5mm portafilters*

How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB?

> @"delta76"#p63111 How would you compare it to df64 if you have used both? Also any way for non UK customers to buy it without having to ship from BB? I actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Oh I forgot to mention once it's finished grinding, after 2 minutes it switches off, so they really have thought about the product and the grind cup etc.. I have no idea about availability and retailers world wide, if you are in Europe BB might well ship it?

@"DavecUK"#p63112 - did you manage to find out more about the phenomenon of no static what so ever? Is there anything special? Given high end grinders come with a spray bottle…. This is an achievement in itself, whatever they did!

@"DavecUK"#p63112 if it comes to that I might have to, but would prefer to buy from a local retailer or at least from within EU to avoid tax complication (and warranty also). Great to hear it is better than df64 in your opinions - i know you pay very close attention to details!

> @"DavecUK"#p63112 actually have a DF64 and it in my option the T64 is a much better grinder. and more accurately made. Interesting thanks Dave. Can you shed some light on "more accurately made" and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF?

> @"giampiero"#p63128 Any stalling issue? As I said in the video and description as well I think, **no problems with stalling**. I run it at it's slowest speed 800 rpm, **I don't hot start** and in the video you can listen to it grinding. I have also tried some of @"LMSC"#16 light beans in it as well.

> @"tompoland"#p63120 Can you shed some light on “more accurately made” and is there anything else that you prefer over the DF? not really, it's just more accurate, no o rings to centralise the core as in the DF64, and accurately made is just that, especially in the burr chamber…all milled aluminium and no wave washer. It's just a nicer grinder to use and especially adjust. The looks of the grinder ittself and accessories like the catch cup etc.. are way better.

T64 Grinder From Bella Barista

DavecUK

Cuprajake You read the post before I had a chance to alter it, the one that’s there works. 🤪

If you’re in the market for a flat burr 64mm grinder the deal…. seems a no brainer.

MediumRoastSteam Question…. How do you know its actual speed? Is there a display or dial with markings somewhere or it’s just by feel?

There is a smooth knob you turn with a line on it, and a scale on the grinder that says 800-2000. I have no idea what sped it is except to say 800 around 800 based on considerable experience, 2000 I don’t know (it’s hard to hear 2000 or 2200, 1800 accurately), or care, cos I only want it fast enough to purge…I always run it at 800. I could have strobed it I suppose, I will try and find time to do so, but I have to pack it tomorrow. ready for collection. Excuse the bits of coffee.

simonc

DavecUK I always run it at 800

Why 800? Because it was the slowest it could do, so you would run at 500 or maybe 300 if possible as now suggested or do you think 800 gives best particle distribution?

Interested as playing with rpm on my KOPI Deva.

Gagaryn

MediumRoastSteam Pictures on the BB website are very focused on the side with the switch,

I don’t think BB have pictures of the revision they will be selling; no speed knob and no re-zeroing ring. The pics are of the standard version that has been available elsewhere for a while

Cuprajake

Gagaryn does the Ali Baba one come with SSP burrs?

DavecUK

Gagaryn This is absolutely correct, which is why they want this one back for demos.

MediumRoastSteam

Thank you @Gagaryn and @DavecUK - very informative. Thank you.

Doram

Cuprajake Gagaryn does the Ali Baba one come with SSP burrs?

No, and no variable speed either.

It also has £58 shipping, and once you add VAT you are at BB price territory.

DavecUK

Cuprajake does the Ali Baba one come with SSP burrs?

It definitely won’t, that’s an extra cost option, also the whole thing is subject to 7% import and 20% vat on the grinder+shipping cost! probably it comes with the Chinese burrs, and possibly Italmills, or they might be extra.. All this for the 200SW no variable speed version!

Gagaryn

DavecUK also the whole thing is subject to 7% import and 20% vat on the

I’m pretty sure that there is no duty on domestic coffee grinders so the charges will simply be the VAT on the shipped cost.

giampiero

Neither in Thailand, where the basic model is on the market since middle 2023, there is a version like BB, no SSP ( maybe some local seller does offer the option) no variable speed, no zeroing collar.

Definitely the BB offer seems quite interesting for UK market.

delta76

giampiero unless BB version is exclusive (which is very unlikely), the market will soon be flooded with it - or a copy of it.

giampiero

delta76 very possible.

Cuprajake

Not a bad proce really

MediumRoastSteam

I suppose the question will be longevity… We know the Niche is put through its paces for the best part of two years before it gets released… How do we know this is any good?

delta76

MediumRoastSteam i think the main problem with df64 is quirks, not longevity. The main function is solid but what built around it are not very thoughtful. They quickly released v2 => v5 and then gen 2, each with some improvements. I suspect we will see a t64s v2 before the end of the year

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 - And no doubt v3 the year after :-)

DavecUK

My god you guys are a tough audience….

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HarveyMushman

Might just be me but I think there’s a risk of choice paralysis with this type of grinder. Doesn’t feel like long ago that your choice was either the Niche, a few staple on-demand grinders like Mazzer or Ceado, and then maybe two top-end grinders.

There must be hundreds of 64mm flat burr grinders from manufacturers that have only been around five minutes!

This one looks good, and has the backing of @DavecUK testing it but I can understand why people aren’t that excited.

Gagaryn

HarveyMushman There must be hundreds of 64mm flat burr grinders from manufacturers that have only been around five minutes!

I’m pretty sure the BB one is made by Ningbo Grind Electric Appliance, they seem to have about two dozen variations on this model, as well as other models, with no doubt more to follow. There is such a massive manufacturing base in China that the it’s relatively easy for manufacturers to get tooling and processes in place to quickly diversify into areas deemed likely to be profitable. Clearly one of these areas is coffee stuff it seems.

DavecUK

Gagaryn That seems to ring a bell and I suppose as it’s huge, Might have advantages or disadvantages…who knows. At least they have significant resources behind them, as I did wonder how they had the buying power to get SSP burrs in any reasonable quantity.

delta76

Gagaryn I’m shocked. Not quite, but still. I did think that BB retrofits SSP burr into their grinder but nope, apparently they just ordered the one with SSP installed. I’m sure they passed Dave’s suggested improvements to the manufacturer and they complied.

I knew, yet I’m still impressed by those Chinese manufacturer’s ability to copy, build and modify those products. Their manufacturing power is nothing to sneeze at

MediumRoastSteam

Gagaryn I’m pretty sure the BB one is made by Ningbo Grind Electric Appliance

Looks like you are correct. Bella Barista actually does list the manufacturer. Not on the product detail page, not on their listing page, but in the “recently viewed” section. 🤷‍♂️

Incidentally, not he same manufacturer as the df64.

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