Anyone had mild success with a super automatic coffee machine? I’ve had to pack away my La Pavoni due to having no time… I’m wondering whether a super automatic might lull the pain of not having home made espresso?

I’m pretty all cheap super automatic machines are garbage, so success might be limited to the Swiss made ones (some models of Jura).

I want to try one but scared I’ll buy it and hate it. Maybe a borrow swap with my La Pavoni if anyone wants to test out a manual lever?

Anyone use a superautomatic?

Yes33%
No67%

DavecUK I mean yes they do have very expensive maintenance and repair, but from some quick research they’re one of the best ones. Unless you start going with commercial like Thermoplan or Schaerer.

    Sham but from some quick research they’re one of the best ones.

    No they’re not the best at all.

    • Sham replied to this.

      Sham Why you say that? Which ones would you consider good then?

      Here’s a couple of things for you, but there’s more:

      • Inner workings of brew mechanism and grind mechanism behind security screws, mould growth within 3 weeks, no way to access for cleaning. Jura disagreed, but were then sent photos of it.
      • Jura think a double espresso means pushing twice as much water through the puck!!!
      • Sham replied to this.

        DavecUK But most brew groups aren’t designed to be taken apart fully and cleaned internally. Normally the entire group can be removed as a piece then soaked. The mold issue would be there for all automatics wouldn’t it?

          Sham But most brew groups aren’t designed to be taken apart fully and cleaned internally. Normally the entire group can be removed as a piece then soaked. The mold issue would be there for all automatics wouldn’t it?

          If a brew group and the areas where coffee sticks is not accessible, you will get mould. Stick a brew group inside the machine, close the machine with security screws and you are asking for trouble. Even some without brewing units don’t give you the access to clean the mould from other bits. Read the 2 reviews I did below and watch the videos.

          https://coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2016/07/29/melitta-caffeo-varianza-csp/

          https://coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/melitta-caffeo-varianza-tech-tour-videos/

          However, if you think Jura is the best…go for it.

          • Sham replied to this.

            I’ve used superautos for well over a decade (before discovering the Evo Leva !). As the brew groups of a given brand tend to be the same across many models (based on my Gaggia/Saeco and Delonghi experience), there is little point in the higher end models of the common brands unless you’re interested in milk beverages (with more and more cleaning required as the price/convenience goes up) or fancy electronics/displays (not necessarily a good thing with water/steam and ground coffee around).

            With good maintenance (rinsing the brewgroup weekly, descaling when required, lubing and changing some seals after a few years), the Gaggia/Saeco and Delonghi machines can last a long time. My Gaggia lasted for over 14 years of daily use (the electronic board failed then, and there was some rust on the painted steel parts, but after replacing the control board it works again).

            Just do not expect real expresso (1:2 ratio or thereabouts, good temperature stability despite mfg claims, etc). I did spend a lot of time tweaking the settings on both machines, measuring things, etc. and its a fool’s errand to get things perfect and consistent with them.

            DavecUK I agree with what you’re saying, I just assumed the Jura would have a removable brew group (even cheap delonghis have a removal brew group…) but apparently not. Thermoplan machines seem really good, apparently its modular and you can take it apart in a few minutes. They also go for about £300 - £600 often on FB market place, only drawback is that they’re plumed so a bit more of a commitment to give them a go.

              Sham Thermoplan machines seem really good, apparently its modular and you can take it apart in a few minutes. They also go for about £300 - £600 often on FB

              You may well want to give them a swerve.

              • Sham replied to this.
                3 months later

                DavecUK I’ve bought a delonghi with a removeable group. It makes surprisingly good drinks, but sometimes I get a slightly ‘mould’ back taste… It has automatic rinse (at turn on and turn off) and a cleaning cycles which I use every week. I also rinse the group every few days. Any ideas how to reduce mould? Only other thing I can think of is to keep the chamber open to increase airflow around the group and inner chamber after using it to reduce mould growth.

                I used the Melitta machines which gave full access to everything, enabling good cleaning and mould protection. Areas to look out for:

                • behind/around the group cartridge shown
                • the grinder exit chute
                • anywhere grinds that don’t go into the brew group can accumulate

                I used to use a food safe antibac surface spray and leave it for 10 minutes before removal..