Lelit Bianca V3

delta76

MediumRoastSteam just to make sure I understand things correctly. I learned about how espresso machines work in the last couple weeks more than a last few years 😃. Important to get the terms right so I can search on google or ask for help hehe

dutchy101

DavecUK A solenoid group like the Minima would be much better with a flow control paddle, because there is also no preinfusion chamber to disable. The reason you don’t have it is you, influencers and retailers. Technically it’s the better solution, I suggested it over 5 years ago, to more than just Lelit (ACS and ECM). The problem is they are terrified of the negative marketing if using a solenoid group, even though it’s technically a superior solution.

This was one of my main reasons for going with the Minima. I saw it as a massive advantage over a lever mechanism, but I get the romantic notion behind a traditional lever / cam

MediumRoastSteam

dutchy101 but I get the romantic notion behind a traditional lever / cam

I don’t… 🤣

In this day and age where E61 machines are controlled by a computer (Gicar box), temperature sensors using PIDs, I don’t quite get why a lever/cam is desirable. By all means, if people really want the nostalgic notion of the 1960s, create a group where the lever actuates the pump and a solenoid (isn’t that what the LMLM effectively does with that Paddle anyway?) - for to have it all mechanical, there’s no real advantage to it anymore, and it’s a lot cheaper to maintain and repair.

james65477564

delta76 Yes, there is a brew temp offset which does trigger/inhibit the heating element activating but in practise I think it is of little use because the thermal mass of the E61 is so high.

delta76

james65477564 not a huge amount but a few temp difference can be done. As we saw with kaffemacher test temp drop 2°c toward the end. Probably a bit more with longer shot, maybe?

james65477564

What I would love to see in a v4 is app connectivity via wifi/bluetooth. The goal being to create/save/share multiple profiles which can then be executed. The LLC feels like a primitive (but still advanced compared to most) step in this direction, and being able to do more with it without having to program it via 2 buttons would be a significant upgrade.

Obviously it should still operate without the app as it does today; the app should be for additional control/functionality and data logging.

Cuprajake

yeah but its a £2000 machine, adding that makes it £3k plus imo

delta76

Cuprajake yeah it is easy to underestimate the complexity of that “feature”. It is not only tapping in a bluetooth module (and the similar gadget is sold for $500), but if you want to share profiles, you need a way to regulate water flow automatically and precisely, namely gearpump like in Acs Vesuvius.

Bianca is already $3300 in the us. Adding those features would make it well above$ 4000, losing any

competitive advantages they might have. And I think that moving into $4000 category not many people would even consider an E61

MediumRoastSteam

In all honesty, if Lelit follows the trend by the parent company (Breville/Sage), we won’t see an updated version in a long time. When was the last time the Sage Dual boiler got an update?

Cuprajake

tbh they did a lance hedrick version which looked great

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake - But did it have any extra features?

Cuprajake

yeah rotary pump and different infusion settings from memory,

i wont link it 🤣

delta76

Cuprajake i think he mentioned the flow control similar to Bianca, and the drip tray has space for a scale like Acaia with can be paired to shot by weight. I watched it very briefly and did not pay a close attention mind you.

Breville did release new Impress line up so they are not stalling. I think they aim for bigger gap so it makes more senses for the customers to upgrade. Nobody in the right mind will sell a Bianca v2 to buy a v3. Some hardcore users could buy parts and upgrade but that is definitely a minority. I think breville want it to be more appliances, which you upgrade after a few years, either because the old one breaks or because the gap in features is big enough

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake - Oh sorry! I get it now. I thought there was a Bianca Special Edition. You are talking about the Sage Dual Boiler. Got you. 👍

Cuprajake

Dunno how favourable lelit would be after Lance vid, I know they are breville owned now though.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam how’s that going especially with the missus?

Mine gave a “fine, do what you want because you won’t stop asking anyway” kind of nod, so, yeah, I’m close.

Del_UK

delta76
I was lucky with getting mine, my wife likes cycling so ‘needs’ several £xxxx bikes apparently.

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 how’s that going especially with the missus

My wife doesn’t have a problem with it. She said “I’m happy for you to have two grinders… But two coffee machines? That’s a bit much”. In fact, two grinders for my needs is a bit much anyway, so I’ll eventually sell the Zero, I think.

I also showed her a picture of the Bianca in stainless steel, in black and in white. Personally, I like it in black. My wife said I can have the Bianca, as long as it’s the stainless steel version. My machine is always covered when not in use anyway, so I don’t understand why the colour is a problem.

I’m in no hurry. I am 100% happy with the Elizabeth.

delta76

Del_UK marriage is nothing without compromises, huh? 🤣.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam go for it. For a while you can have both Bianca and Elizabeth (and for my dirty mind that sounds like th***some, which is awesome).

I think black and white look good, but if anything that wow me it’s the stainless steel version. look is biggest itch I have with Elizabeth (not exactly ugly, just “boring”).

And then you can get low flow pre infusion (whatever it’s called), and flow control, which is universally agreed that has biggest impact on espresso quality

MediumRoastSteam

delta76 and flow control, which is universally agreed that has biggest impact on espresso quality

Yet… As you said on another post, most people use for the first week and then forget all about it. 😀

delta76 There are only a few people actively use the flow / pressure profile. Most people buy machines without and many never bother use it after the honeymoon period.

For me the good thing about the Bianca is not the flow control valve - I’m not really interested in that. But I am interested in the slow/fast flow at the start and the express warm up time.

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