Just downloaded footage from my secret webcam in the kitchen of @"DavecUK"#1 only to discover that he's been holding out on us! Cmon Dave, spill the beans (not the coffee ones) on this geourgeous looking leva. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

For this machine it's one of the first made, and I am doing an Engineering review on it for Antonio (the creator) as a favour, so I can't really comment at this stage. But I can post photos….and say that the Paddle levers on this are very basic beta ones….so that area is still in the design melting pot.

needs to be 50mm shorter for a uk work top haha i believe this is a commercial focsed machine?

I love the look of these sorts of lever machines, but they really need to at least try to make them a bit more compact in design. They're either lacking in that area of expertise or they don't care… A more compact design would look like a much better centre piece in a kitchen (and take less space in a commercial setting), rather than protruding till the near edge. The size distracts from the elegance of it.

Certainly a looker. I'm sure we will all look forward to your thoughts when you are able to comment.

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 no it's for the home market

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 from the nurri website https://www.nurri.coffee/portfolio-item/nurri-leva-sa-machine/ L-TYPE LEVA S.A. is a professional machine. Yes. But it is designed for those who want to enjoy quality espresso at home, making it with the same passion and competence of a professional bartender.

@"tompoland"#p10004 I like how they stuck Patent Pending on everything 🤣 a bit unprofessional.

@"Sham"#p10001 I agree when it comes to similar sized Levers that require external plumbing or flojet type arrangement. But the Nurri is dual boiler and plumbing is optional. Still, I agree that it's a lot for a normal kitchen. I like the footprint on the Decent for example.

Powder coated version. Wow. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"tompoland"#p10007 In that case they should have either decreased tank sizes and utilised quicker water heating technology (I'm sure there's loads of options from other industry's) or started with a more wide design but I guess that would've cost too much R&D time. One way to think of it is that they won't lose customers if its small, but they will lose customers if its too big. It does look pretty nice though.

Nurri Leva S.A.

CoyoteOldMan

This is getting more tempting by the day… 😁

Hugonl37

What exactly is the difference between the grouphead used by the Evo Leva and the one used by Nurri? I hear the Evo Leva has some reports about leaking, water coming up and out of the top of the group.. problems with seals, trying to find one that works? Some people never completely solving these issues to absolute certainty? Is the difference in design of the Nurri such that this cannot/should not be an issue? Or is there any objective advantage to one or the other (aside from aesthetics)?

CoyoteOldMan

Hugonl37 Some users (including on this forum) report issues with the seal on the ACS. Known differences in the two groupheads are:

Presence of a pressure release valve in the Nurri (actuated by the left paddle)
Nurri group thermally isolated from machine body
Group pressure gauge mounted on the machine body vs. on the group

There is very little information on the Nurri group, other than it is a La San Marco-style with added heating cartridges (like the one on the ACS). It is possible that it is fundamentally similar to the ACS in other innovations/modifications (single rather than triple seal, extensive use of stainless steel, complex spring profile), but there is no information available. Reliability for any of this is obviously another unknown, considering the Nurri machine has only recently been released, and very few people have one.

Paolo5

I believe that the Nurri machine has a fully brass group (with no stainless steel liner like the ACS Evo).

Tjyven

tompoland Where can I find those comparisons? Would be interesting to read.

tompoland

Tjyven here’s a thread on the Streitman but not so much a comparison with the Decent (mis-rememebered I suspect) https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/476-nurri-leva-sa?page=3

The Decent / Valexia post may be found here https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equipment/brewing-equipment-extreme-machines-3000/886809-decent-de1xl-and-izzo-valexia-leva

Please feel free to ask any questions.

The “best” machine is of course relative to personal preference. My preferences have me leaning towards lever machines because of the more sensual (as in “senses”) experience of the espresso pour. However if I want to easily and accurately play with variables and see what happens, then the Decent is reigns supreme.

Tjyven

tompoland Thank you very much! So far I most been using a pump machine but I have decided I will buy a lever machine very soon, just so difficult to choose one.

CoyoteOldMan

@tompoland - thanks for the write-ups. Not considering any of those machines at the moment, but still appreciate a well written review (and ideas about coffee).

I think the comments on the Strietman are here:

https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/305-strietman-ct-1

dfk41

Tjyven Ah, we have all been there! Make a list of the features you want. For example if you think that it is important to be able to steam milk, but not all the time, then look for a dual boiler. If you think it is important to have PID control of the dual boilers then look for that. If you want a machine that heats up in 15 minutes using heat cartridges, look for that. The ACS Vesuvius Evo Leva ticks all those boxes

Tjyven

dfk41 The ACS Vesuvius Evo Leva and Nurri both look really good to me except I probably want something cheaper. I do like machines that are rather simple but still can manage temperatures rather well. I drink about 95% espresso so steaming is not a must. The Strietman looks really good I think and lately I been looking a lot at the “chinese Strietman” if you heard about that.

tompoland

Tjyven I’m a 100% straight espresso drinker so steaming is not important and I have still have my E61 machine with steaming capabilities and I use that when guests are here (it is also faster to pump out back to back drinks than the Stietman).

That said, the most important thing for me in a Lever (after having a few) is group head temperature stability. For example, I like my Falir Signature Pro that I use for travel maybe four time a year but I would not want it for my home machine because flaffing around getting the group head to the right temperature is a bit of pain. Likewise the Portapresso I own. I am not a fan of the La Pavoni that I owned either because even thought the group head was heated the temperature was anything but stable, I really had to get it at the right time or manipultate it. And thats what I would be careful about if ordering a cheaper copy of the Strietman. I buy a lot from AliExpress so I’m not against cheaper Chinese copies as such, it’s just that when it comes to espresso machines “it’s complicated” as they say, to get so many important factors such as group head temperature accuracy and stability spot on.

Tjyven

tompoland I totally agree with you, having right temperature is essential. Also been using La Pavoni and even though I really like those machines getting right temperature is not easy.. However, I do think this “Chinese Strietman” is better than you probably think, even though there arent much information about it I know it is not some mass produced copy, it is actually one person who builds these machines by hand and it has a PID and I do think it is very temperature stable. As I said it is difficult to get information but Brian Quan has made a video:

I did not mean to hijack this Nurri thread and maybe this should be moved to a new thread.

tompoland

Tjyven interesting thanks. If you buy please let us know what you think.

tompoland

Tjyven not sure if you have seen this thread https://www.home-barista.com/levers/jian-yi-lever-espresso-machine-t78667.html

Tjyven

tompoland Yes thanks, I have seen that post and even though there doesnt seem to many users the guy who has one seems to be satisfied.

dfk41

Tjyven Is that really a surprise though!

Tjyven

dfk41 I guess not!

mathof2

Viernes The Nurri also responds well to keep stable the desired temperature. At least in my experience

If you mean stable throughout the shot (as opposed to between shots), I thought one of the advantages of a traditional spring lever machine was meant to be that the brew water temperature (as well as the piston pressure) declined throughout the shot.

DavecUK

mathof2 I thought one of the advantages of a traditional spring lever machine was meant to be that the brew water temperature (as well as the piston pressure) decline

Where and when, did declining brew water temperature come from?

Cuprajake

Suppose it depends

There’s the declining pressure profile and then there’s the temp declining too, I know this can go as much as 4-5 degrees swing.

mathof2

DavecUK It comes from the fact that on large spring leavers, the big group acts as a heat sink. As a matter of taste preference, I’ve often seen it praised.

On another forum, John Buckman of Decent espresso machines, recently said: ’The “Adaptive” profile that is my daily … does this temperature drop as part of the program. It’s currently the “most popular profile” on https://visualizer.coffee/ I have it set to drop 5C on my profile, but you can set it to be whatever you like.'

Asked what he thinks is the advantage of a temperature declining profile, he replied: ’I’d say the taste is “smoother, less harshness”.'

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