Just downloaded footage from my secret webcam in the kitchen of @"DavecUK"#1 only to discover that he's been holding out on us! Cmon Dave, spill the beans (not the coffee ones) on this geourgeous looking leva. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

For this machine it's one of the first made, and I am doing an Engineering review on it for Antonio (the creator) as a favour, so I can't really comment at this stage. But I can post photos….and say that the Paddle levers on this are very basic beta ones….so that area is still in the design melting pot.

needs to be 50mm shorter for a uk work top haha i believe this is a commercial focsed machine?

I love the look of these sorts of lever machines, but they really need to at least try to make them a bit more compact in design. They're either lacking in that area of expertise or they don't care… A more compact design would look like a much better centre piece in a kitchen (and take less space in a commercial setting), rather than protruding till the near edge. The size distracts from the elegance of it.

Certainly a looker. I'm sure we will all look forward to your thoughts when you are able to comment.

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 no it's for the home market

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 from the nurri website https://www.nurri.coffee/portfolio-item/nurri-leva-sa-machine/ L-TYPE LEVA S.A. is a professional machine. Yes. But it is designed for those who want to enjoy quality espresso at home, making it with the same passion and competence of a professional bartender.

@"tompoland"#p10004 I like how they stuck Patent Pending on everything 🤣 a bit unprofessional.

@"Sham"#p10001 I agree when it comes to similar sized Levers that require external plumbing or flojet type arrangement. But the Nurri is dual boiler and plumbing is optional. Still, I agree that it's a lot for a normal kitchen. I like the footprint on the Decent for example.

Powder coated version. Wow. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"tompoland"#p10007 In that case they should have either decreased tank sizes and utilised quicker water heating technology (I'm sure there's loads of options from other industry's) or started with a more wide design but I guess that would've cost too much R&D time. One way to think of it is that they won't lose customers if its small, but they will lose customers if its too big. It does look pretty nice though.

Nurri Leva S.A.

DavecUK

tompoland definitely different to the very early machine I looked at. Changing the vacuum breaker would be a PITA though. 🤔

tompoland

DavecUK and @CoyoteOldMan let me know if there are any particular pics you’d like to see.

I can open it up on the weekend if there are specific requests.

CoyoteOldMan

tompoland let me know if there are any particular pics you’d like to see.

Thank you, Tom - much appreciated!

If you have time, it would be really nice to see overall pictures of the interior layout, and particularly the back of the group and the pump. I’m also curious if the “ACS” modification to the water flow, with the group being filled through a solenoid and outlets into the brewing chamber located below the main piston seal, or whether Nurri/TOF are using some other method. This requires removing the shower screen and compressing the spring, then taking a picture of the brewing chamber; I fully understand if this is not something you want to do now - or at any time in the future!

tompoland

Video from @Viernes showing PID adjustment method.

I have no idea what to do with this but it probably means something?

chlorox

tompoland

Thanks for the link. The video is helpful to show how to access the pid menu but it would be great to have a more detailed explanation somewhere of how and when those adjustments are done and what they change…

By the way, I notice you no longer list in your sig that combination conical and flat grinder that looks like a versalab, and you only use the olympia moca sd with both the decent and the nurri now. Did you get to use that earlier grinder with the lever? Was the moca significantly better?

tompoland

chlorox V messaged to say the PID adjustment was mentioned in the manual. No idea od the depth of detail though.

The grinder you referenced is the Honne (review is in the knowledge base) and it’s currently in the roastery collecting dust. I needed room on my bench and 2x Moca SDs take up a similar amount of space as 1x Honne. Both are superb grinders IMHO.

Paolo5

Thanks for this link to Vierne’s video, Tom!

MediumRoastSteam

Out of curiosity… is this after the software patch or was the PID settings always available by clicking the two buttons simultaneously and turning the machine on?

I don’t know what “brain” the machine has, but the same procedure applies to many machines, including Lelit, Profitec and ECM (Gicar).

If the architecture of the machine is similar to the V Evo, you could borrow the PID settings from the manual as a starting point.

tompoland

MediumRoastSteam always available by clicking the two buttons simultaneously and turning the machine on?

Yes

tompoland

MediumRoastSteam If the architecture of the machine is similar to the V Evo, you could borrow the PID settings from the manual as a starting point.

Possible.

I need to see how much detail is in the manual. I’ll report back soon.

tompoland

Yep it’s all there (if all else fails…)

Not sure I’m any the wiser 😀

chlorox

tompoland

In your case since yoi don’t have any shortfall whatsoever in your grouphead T3, you have no need to mess with your pid so if I were in your shoes, I would leave it alone :) but that’s just me…

LMSC

tompoland As Dave advised, it looks like a single PID settings for all the three, unless it can loop through Es. Ex: Choose, E1, set the PIDs, choose E2, etc.

tompoland

chlorox I would leave it alone

That, I can do

Giphy - Happy Joe Biden GIF by The Democrats

tompoland

MediumRoastSteam It’s strange however how the microswitch got activated even though the machine wasn’t on in your case, but for Tom, it was the opposite.

Just saw this. Apologies I got my “does” and my doesn’"t mixed up.

DavecUK

tompoland I agree with leaving it alone because there’s one single pid loop shared amongst both boilers and the group. Rather than separate pid parameters for each boiler and the group. This means for example, the steam boiler has a pid setting that’s more about stability than steaming.

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC unless it can loop through Es. Ex: Choose, E1, set the PIDs, choose E2, etc

OK. I think I understand now. You can adjust the settings, but not to optimal results. And therefore it was talked of a software update patch to improve the values? Is this what the software patch would be about?

edit: I didn’t see Jake’s post as I typed this. But it seems we are essentially asking the same question.

dfk41

Am I thick, but how can one pid setting control 3 different functions……..apologies if I misunderstood

LMSC

dfk41 how can one pid setting control 3 different functions

Good question, IMO. They might have programmed it that way!

tompoland

dfk41 it’s one PID, not one PID setting. One PID, three settings, as I understand it David.

It was covered by @Viernes waaaaay back earlier in the thread but hopefully someone can remind us all again.

dfk41

tompoland That does not make sense to me though Tom. Any idea where the Viernes thing is? DAve said
‘ there’s one single pid loop shared amongst both boilers and the group. Rather than separate pid parameters for each boiler and the group.’
To me, that suggests there is no method of independently altering the three things on the loop……as I said, my tech knowledge is not that good, but it also makes me wonder why the Evo did not do it that way?

tompoland

dfk41

@DavecUK will be able to shed some light on it I’m sure. But I can at least confirm that water, steam and group head temperature are all able to be set independently of each other.

The manual refers to a “3 probe PID”.

tompoland

dfk41 Any idea where the Viernes thing is

Starts around post #100 April 22 above.

Not sure it sheds any more light on it though sorry.

dfk41

tompoland @DavecUK had a prototype machine Tom. He made recommendations (no idea what!) but whether or not those were acted upon no one knows. SO in effect, the Evo can set its own temperature and then full control over each pid parameter for the group and both boilers. Please make it easy for my befuddled old brain and say the Nurri has exactly the same control, but perhaps delivered in a different way!

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