Just downloaded footage from my secret webcam in the kitchen of @"DavecUK"#1 only to discover that he's been holding out on us! Cmon Dave, spill the beans (not the coffee ones) on this geourgeous looking leva. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

For this machine it's one of the first made, and I am doing an Engineering review on it for Antonio (the creator) as a favour, so I can't really comment at this stage. But I can post photos….and say that the Paddle levers on this are very basic beta ones….so that area is still in the design melting pot.

needs to be 50mm shorter for a uk work top haha i believe this is a commercial focsed machine?

I love the look of these sorts of lever machines, but they really need to at least try to make them a bit more compact in design. They're either lacking in that area of expertise or they don't care… A more compact design would look like a much better centre piece in a kitchen (and take less space in a commercial setting), rather than protruding till the near edge. The size distracts from the elegance of it.

Certainly a looker. I'm sure we will all look forward to your thoughts when you are able to comment.

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 no it's for the home market

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 from the nurri website https://www.nurri.coffee/portfolio-item/nurri-leva-sa-machine/ L-TYPE LEVA S.A. is a professional machine. Yes. But it is designed for those who want to enjoy quality espresso at home, making it with the same passion and competence of a professional bartender.

@"tompoland"#p10004 I like how they stuck Patent Pending on everything 🤣 a bit unprofessional.

@"Sham"#p10001 I agree when it comes to similar sized Levers that require external plumbing or flojet type arrangement. But the Nurri is dual boiler and plumbing is optional. Still, I agree that it's a lot for a normal kitchen. I like the footprint on the Decent for example.

Powder coated version. Wow. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"tompoland"#p10007 In that case they should have either decreased tank sizes and utilised quicker water heating technology (I'm sure there's loads of options from other industry's) or started with a more wide design but I guess that would've cost too much R&D time. One way to think of it is that they won't lose customers if its small, but they will lose customers if its too big. It does look pretty nice though.

Nurri Leva S.A.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK for an electrically heated E61, something I have been thinking about

Question is… does it need to be E61? Bezzera has electric heated group, and they fit it to the BZ10 - an HX machine.

The Sage Dual Boiler also has electric heaters in the group.

DavecUK With the Nurri Lever, I turn it off after I use it, because there is only a 15m warmup.

Similar to the Elizabeth. It heats up pretty fast.

DavecUK

LMSC Could you explain this please ? How is it different to what we already have?

Well, it’s an awful lot cheaper, for those who can’t afford an Evo…The whole idea behind the Minima was the same or better performance than much more expensive dual boilers, for a Minima (smaller price). When I got into this hobby I was always interested in the prosumer (not the commercial machine side), and making high performing stuff much more affordable…..One of the reasons I like Lelit so much, the Bianca is astounding value and really performs!

I like the Solenoid E61 a lot as well…..for a lot of reasons.

MediumRoastSteam Similar to the Elizabeth. It heats up pretty fast.

I was thinking the same thing when I woke up this morning (because of electricity price rises)…plus the Elizabeth really sips energy when it’s on.

hornbyben

I definitely think manufacturers could be more creative with eco modes. In my Ito installation I have it set so that after 20 mins it drops the boiler temperature to 80⁰C. It takes about 17 mins for everything to get up to temp, and dropping the boiler temperature keeps it warm without using as much energy. Returning to full temperature only takes a couple of minutes, and is usually done in the time it takes me to grind and prep.

I turn on them machine when I want to make a coffee, but it’s amazing how often 20 mins has gone by without me realising.

Looking around most eco modes just turn things off, rather than making use of different set points.

DavecUK

hornbyben Looking around most eco modes just turn things off, rather than making use of different set points.

They do, when a delta change is a good way, especially as heat loss is a 4th power law.

It was added to the Vesuvius E61 profiling machine back in 2015. Might be time soon for people to start using it.

There is also a time to off in minutes, if it’s still not used after entering economy mode.

MediumRoastSteam

hornbyben Looking around most eco modes just turn things off, rather than making use of different set points

The Bianca’s standby mode keeps coffee boiler temp at 70C and service boiler turned off.

Image: excerpt from Bianca’s manual.

hornbyben

DavecUK and MediumRoastSteam, good to see some manufacturers make use of these features. It’s much more useful than the typical auto switch off.

I suspect part of the problem is that there doesn’t seem to be much competition on the electronics side with coffee machines. Most seem to use Gicar controllers, and from a quick look at their website the more advanced features are aimed at professional machines, and I’m sure their pricing is aligned with this. To be fair if people buy a coffee machine they expect it to last and electronics robustness could be an issue. A manufacturer could use a micro controller like an arduino for not a lot of money, but I suspect it wouldn’t be robust enough to be used commercially.

Sham

MediumRoastSteam

As far as I know, basically what @LMSC said, it will cost a bit of dev time depending on where they get the expertise from (better to just hire someone with experience in this) but I don’t think it would be that expensive (if they implement it on all their new machines)

DavecUK

hornbyben A manufacturer could use a micro controller like an arduino for not a lot of Monet, but I suspect it wouldn’t be robust enough to be used commercially.

I think that’s the problem and Gicar are not cheap, for either their kit and especially not for custom programming. The stuff is robust though. Vesuvius E61, Vesuvius Evo and Vostok boards (same board), I’ve ever only personally heard of 1 failure and I am not sure if it was actually a board failure. It’s a very tough board.

The LCC (grom Gicar) that Lelit uses is also very good, very reliable…much more modern 64 bit (Hi and Lo memory variants( RISC environment I think.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK RISC environment I think.

In a way, it would surprise me if it was CISC, given the environment they operate in (coffee machine controllers).

Ah_J

@DavecUK how’s the hand on experience when pulling? how’s the difference between 1 pid controlling 3 parameters against 3 individual pid ?

Many thanks

DavecUK

Ah_J how’s the hand on experience when pulling? how’s the difference between 1 pid controlling 3 parameters against 3 individual pid ?

I really cannot comment on that, I only gave private engineering feedback.

Ah_J

DavecUK Thank you and will hold on a little bit more until some reviews published :)

Paolo5

DavecUK Hi Dave…can you tell me please the footprint of the Nurri relative to the ACS leva?

Cuprajake

Theres one spot left on bb for £2800

CoyoteOldMan

Cuprajake I’m very tempted… (since I’m in the market for a lever machine)

DavecUK

Bigger, on a 600mm counter top it slightly hangs over the edge. It’s so heavy I couldn’t lift it alone.

Paolo5

DavecUK I thought that your Nurri looked bigger on your counter than the Evo did.

Is the one that you have a final production model? I ask as on an Australian site, the Nurri dimensions are listed as-

Cheers,

Paolo from Oz

DavecUK

Paolo5 It definitely is bigger than the Evo, the dimensions look about right as I needed about 10cm space behind the machine for the smart plug. You can see from my photos.

It was a very early production machine, I would have called it pre production.

Cuprajake

Theres also the profitec 800 lever, the acs leva evo around that price.

It looks nice with the wood, but i think unless you have a big kitchen its going to really dominate the space, id not want to do bigger than my leva evo

CoyoteOldMan

The “uncertainty” is between the ACS and the Nurri, at this point. I really dislike the aesthetics of the Profitec (it seems a big square box to me, even though the footprint is smaller than the other two).

The size thing is interesting:

ACS 368 × 508
Nurri 360 × 580
Profitec 339 × 505

The Nurri is the largest, but because of the sloping profile it seems (in photo - haven’t seen any of these in reality) smaller.

tompoland

CoyoteOldMan In Australia ETA for the Nurri is “third quarter” so a bit of a wait. I don’t know how important timing is to you but you may want to factor availability into your considerations. I’m fine to wait for the Nurri because it is everything I want in a spring lever and I have Strietman to keep me content in the meantime.

hthec

CoyoteOldMan I’m looking for a lever machine as well. In terms of aesthetics and functional considerations, I’m right with you on those three machines. Unfortunately the footprints of the Vesuvius evo and Nurri are way too big for my kitchen. I may even be moving house in the medium term which would compound the size problem. So for now I’m just hoping the Argos materialises…

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