Just downloaded footage from my secret webcam in the kitchen of @"DavecUK"#1 only to discover that he's been holding out on us! Cmon Dave, spill the beans (not the coffee ones) on this geourgeous looking leva. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Y7e0uuz.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

For this machine it's one of the first made, and I am doing an Engineering review on it for Antonio (the creator) as a favour, so I can't really comment at this stage. But I can post photos….and say that the Paddle levers on this are very basic beta ones….so that area is still in the design melting pot.

needs to be 50mm shorter for a uk work top haha i believe this is a commercial focsed machine?

I love the look of these sorts of lever machines, but they really need to at least try to make them a bit more compact in design. They're either lacking in that area of expertise or they don't care… A more compact design would look like a much better centre piece in a kitchen (and take less space in a commercial setting), rather than protruding till the near edge. The size distracts from the elegance of it.

Certainly a looker. I'm sure we will all look forward to your thoughts when you are able to comment.

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 no it's for the home market

@"Cuprajake"#p10000 from the nurri website https://www.nurri.coffee/portfolio-item/nurri-leva-sa-machine/ L-TYPE LEVA S.A. is a professional machine. Yes. But it is designed for those who want to enjoy quality espresso at home, making it with the same passion and competence of a professional bartender.

@"tompoland"#p10004 I like how they stuck Patent Pending on everything 🤣 a bit unprofessional.

@"Sham"#p10001 I agree when it comes to similar sized Levers that require external plumbing or flojet type arrangement. But the Nurri is dual boiler and plumbing is optional. Still, I agree that it's a lot for a normal kitchen. I like the footprint on the Decent for example.

Powder coated version. Wow. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7uFzqtw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"tompoland"#p10007 In that case they should have either decreased tank sizes and utilised quicker water heating technology (I'm sure there's loads of options from other industry's) or started with a more wide design but I guess that would've cost too much R&D time. One way to think of it is that they won't lose customers if its small, but they will lose customers if its too big. It does look pretty nice though.

Nurri Leva S.A.

tompoland

chlorox agree with all of that.

However the aethetics gets a “Hell Yeah” from me.

(Not that the Nurri isn’t a stunner as well)

chlorox

tompoland

The aesthetics of the slim jim look better than a lot of other lever machines that’s for sure. However I may be nitpicking but it does not seem to be as cohesive design wise as it could have been especially when compared to my favourite KvDW design, the original Speedster with all the embossed circles. This is all subjective of course and it still looks better than most of the espresso machines out there of any type…

Cuprajake

What happens it you accidentally vent the group

I’ve often though about this for both the nurri/Vostok

I know the kvdw has the lock

I’ve pondered that the vent on the nurri/vostok will be a limited size so it allows the arm not to ping back but come back slower is that the case

Amberale

Cuprajake
The video of the Vostok releasing, albeit at the end of the shot so down around 6bar, shows the lever slowly rising up.
I agree that it must be an appropriatly small vent.
I reckon the Nurri would be similar.

chlorox

The nurri’s venting merely causes the lever handle to rise slowly at a safe pace. Whether this is done by the controlled rate of water release or by a servo mechanism I do not know, but the release motion is very smooth and entirely safe and predictable. See this 2021 video for instance from about 1:44 onwards…

Cuprajake

im meaning more an accidental knock, say press the lever/button -safety say when its down, the kwdw has a catch to hold it there, i believe the oe lsm group is damped

chlorox

Cuprajake

Sorry are u referring to the what happens when the left paddle is actuated or what happens if the lever hamdle is pulled down on an empty portsfilter and then accidentally the lever handle is released ?

chlorox

Here is another clip that shows the lever arm rising after the shot is ended with the paddle…

MediumRoastSteam

Just thinking aloud here, but… if the piston is full or partially full of water and the spring compressed… in order to decompress fully and the lever go all the way up in a split second, all the water needs to leave the piston immediately. If the venting hole is, say, 5mm in diameter (I don’t know how wide it is, but maybe it’s half of that!) he water will escape slowly, and consequently the lever won’t ever give you a kick in the teeth?

I could provide you with some mathematical formulae to calculate the flow rate and rate of decompression, but it would take me months as I’d need to re-read my physics books…. 🤣

Now, imagine what would happen if the portafilter on the group (54mm diameter hole) disengages all of a sudden… 😬

John_Yossarian

MediumRoastSteam you make a very good point. Water is incompressible, at least up to 300 bars, so it has to leave the building and it would take time trough, as you say let’s assume 5 mm in diameter vent hole.

John_Yossarian

tompoland Hi Tom, thank you for sharing. I liked the video very much, the Western music was a nice touch 😀. I am sure you have seen it, but it is ironic (and might be a bit negligent) to have such a technology beast and the coffee coming out to be so thin. I would expect something viscous to come out down the spouts.
I wonder how this machine can be serviced but by a qualified engineer. I doubt they will go for a single group, as most likely not many would go for it, as I suspect it would be cost prohibitive for home use.
It seems the lever trend goes from strong to stronger. Happy days 😀

chlorox

John_Yossarian

Apparently kees van der westen has announced that they will not be making a single group lever machine of any kind not even of the speedster nor of the idrocompresso. The former was due to the fact that the speedster chassis would tip over if the lever is pulled ansld the latter is evidently due to the very design of rhe idrocompresso itself.

Cuprajake

yeah accident,

so pull the lever down, infuse press wrong paddle/button and vent the group

i too think it will be a vent hole size to allow only so much flow

chlorox

Cuprajake

If the lever is pulled down and water fills the grouphead, this must mean that there is a portwfilter locked in with ground coffee inside to provide the backstop to have that pressurised state. Because otherwise water will just flow straight into the drip tray and the grouphead cannot fill up. If that is the case and if the left paddle is accidentally pulled, then the nurri lever arm will safely rise and the grouphead will vent.

Having said that, I cannot envision a situation where the left paddle can accidentally be pulled. The paddle is quite high up on the groiphead and one’s hand is usually never anywhere near the paddle at any time unless one wants to actuate it. On top of that the action is pulling and not pushing and so that is rvne more difficult to do accidentally or so it appears to me…

Cuprajake

you cant account for stupid though, we once had a cleaner who washed a plugged in toaster in a bucket of water,

so you have to cater for every eventuality how ever stupid lol,

Amberale

Cuprajake

Classic Darwin Award winner.

chlorox

Cuprajake

I think the only situation where one could be in danger for any lever is if one pulls down the lever of any machine out there on an empty portafilter - the one big no no of spring lever practice. Unless the lever happens to be the slim Jim idiocompresso, a La San Marco lever machine equipped with their patented CLASS system, or the LM LEVA X, releasing the lever in those circs will result in rhe lever violently flying upwards with all the force of rhe springs. But this is true of any other spring lever in the world…

Using the paddles as part of one’s daily practice should however make that accident more unlikely because that means that there is no need to ever touch rhe lever handle let alone pull it down unless one has filled the portafiltrr with coffee grounds and locked it in the grouphead. I believe that was part of Antonio’s original purpose for coming out with the paddles.

tompoland

Cuprajake if there are grounds in the basket and the lever is pulled down and the left paddle is activated, all that is going to happen is that the water that is under pressure will end up in the drip tray.

The only danger that I can see, is the same as any other sprung lever which is the lever being released with no grinds in the basket and whammo, broken jaw,

Even allowing for your people who wash toasters in buckets, I can’t see how they could have an accident by venting the group head, with or without coffee grinds.

Unless I am missing something…

simonko

chlorox I think the only situation where one could be in danger for any lever is if one pulls down the lever of any machine out there on an empty portafilter - the one big no no of spring lever practice.

Another situation that happened to me a few times with the Izzo until I found the cause - group seal drying out to be rock hard causing portafilter to unlock during extraction. No damage though beyond a broken cup once. I don’t expect it to be an issue with the Nurri though as the quick warmup doesn’t mean 16 hours of heat per day like the Izzo had (plus maybe silicone standard?)

Cuprajake

Yeah I know just thinking out loud about the feature not the machine,

As its something I can see coming to more modern levers as they progress

Like was say now on the vostok, prob work it’s way to the Evo too,

Easiest way to check what it does is to choke the lever and press the paddle , any volunteers 🤣

I think we all presume the same thing.

I’ve only let go of a lever once in my life on the londinuim, I does make you think haha

Viernes

Cuprajake asiest way to check what it does is to choke the lever and press the paddle , any volunteers 🤣

I already answered this in post 111.

Viernes The release paddle was created to end the shot, the possibility to backflush a lever and also vent pressure in case of choking and avoid portafilter sneezing which splashes hot water.

Lever goes back smoothly to the start position.

Eiffel

It seems to me that the best solution to make levers safe is what LSM did, basically a one-way damper which limits the speed at which the lever can move upwards. This way, whenever pressure is drops quickly in the brew chamber, voluntarily or accidentally, nothing serious happens. I presume LSM has a patent on this idea unfortunately, as implementing it can be done fairly easily using various approaches (yes, this might change the aesthetics slightly and add a few parts, but not that much)

chlorox

Eiffel

Wouldn’t the LSM CLASS patented damping system make it impossible to ‘force’ the lever to increase pressure by pushing on the lever handle to speed its ascent?

Frankly I am not sure why there seems so much anxiety over the lever handle whipping up. The only way this will happen is if the lever is pulled down on an empty portafilter or no portafilter and then released. The best way to prevent that from happening is to never even touch or pull down on the lever to the cocked position when there is no portafilter loaded or there is nothing in that portafilter. In the past when I owned an izzo the only time when I had to break that rule was when I needed to repeatedly flush the grouphead to raise temperature but I was always conscious of the danger the lever posed because it took real effort to keep pulling it down and then retarding its progress upwards when I flushed it. I sure do not miss that exercise routine nowadays with the nurri whe i can just set the temp I want by using the pid!

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