That is not a problem, in fact it is preferred.
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My time in Naples
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@ “tompoland”#p29717 @DavecUK I may have missed it but has the price been decided yet?
Not completely but it should be about the same price as a Londinium LR24 or a bit more. It’s all stainless and much of it 3mm thick and quite expensive to make.
They are also looking at what can be retrofitted to existing evos.
- Rotary pump
- Variable preinfusion via touchscreen
- External box for automated operation and shot timers preinfusion/brew time etc.
So previous purchasers have not been forgotten.
Can you pop up the link to acs/Paulo Dave.
I might have to send an expression of interest.
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Apologies re: the plumbed-in fluff up. It seems the 1-group Vostok is more like an Evo+ than the larger Vostoks!
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MediumRoastSteam I may be wrong of course, it could be the same price as an LR 24 or a little bit more, as I thought the Londinium was more expensive.
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Thats pretty close to the Nurri in price with the added innovation with being able to adjust time and pressure for preinfusion at the front of the machine including a digital display to confirm both.
@DavecUK a big thanks for your video, it’s fabulous to have a sneak preview into a machine like this with such a quality pedigree, like a world premier exclusively here on CT.
Dave the digital panel on the right hand side looked like changing a setting was very easy/intuitive by contrast with the display and button combination on the left which looked a lot less intuitive. Was that your experience?
That said, it sounds like it’s still very much a prototype and if so, I’d personally be voting for a single digital display to replace the current display/button combo on the left hand side.
However I really like the idea of having the two separate displays because it makes each display simpler than having one bigger display that does everything.
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tompoland the small display is very intuitive, In production machines the buttons will be to the left of the display, this makes for easier access to them. Having two displays is an advantage really because if you suddenly want to manually vent the group or do something you actually keeps the two functions completely separate one is the basic or operation of the machine and the other is whether the machine is in auto or manual operation time or pressure.
I have talked to Paulo also about adding an instantanious flow rate per minute for the brew pressure phase, with an average at the end.
At the moment two screens and not really possible to make them into 1, that’s because the lower panel screen is based on Gicar boards and software. The smaller screen is one of some being developed for a larger CAN bus based system for the future. Then you’re single screen and controls will be possible.
DavecUK Sounds brilliant!
Any chance the external box for the Minima will come to market/ be resurrected?!
No, I think I have the only one that will ever be made. If I ever decide to sell it I shall let you know.
Amberale it’s a great time for the coffee hobby, never has there been so much for prosumers.
Thanks to the likes of us lot!
Am I the only one to think, that with these new innovations to furnish both the Vostok and Evo models, that this is going to sound the death knell for machines like the LR24 which is more expensive (expected) and certainly less innovative. The upgrade kits they are selling will be upgrading older machines to something that is still years out of date and cannot move forwards or keep up with the demands of the modern home lever barista. It will also be interesting to see the effects this has on the Nurri which seemed to have been hailed in some quarters as the Evo on steroids. It is hard not to see the Vostok (all group configurations) and Evo setting the new standard. All we need now, is for ACS and Paolo and Dave to turn their eyes to the small lever market where the Italians have a strong history of producing some lovely machines over the years!
dfk41 Am I the only one to think, that with these new innovations to furnish both the Vostok and Evo models, that this is going to sound the death knell for machines like the LR24 which is more expensive (expected) and certainly less innovative.
I am afraid you are oversimplifying how markets work.
So no, ACS won’t be the only lever espresso supplier in the world, and we will still have non-levers: HX machines, SB, DB, thermoblocks, fully automatics machines, pods machines, E61 groups, saturated group manufactured by hundreds of bigger and smaller companies. And electric cars won’t be manufactured only by Tesla.
The pre-infussion timer, this will measure the time, or will be able to “release” the lever in automatic way to start the spring driven extraction under full pressure?
pjw I know very well how markets work matey! I did not say ACS would ever be the only lever espresso manufacturer in the world. Nor was I comparing the ACS products to traditional lever machines. I was merely making the point that if in computing terms, new technology comes out, then who in their right mind buys something with far less advanced technology (ignoring traditional lever machines).