MWJB But other than personal & subjective perceptions on burrs & ‘suck it and see’ burr swaps, there aren’t any meaningful conversations

For starters, thats a lot of conversations right there.

And yes, I am creating them. I’m not expecting anyone else to. Been doing that a while now.

And see, we’re having one right now 😜

    Cuprajake nothing wrong with them. And to be fair, I may be prematurely judging their 151 series based on cafe results which is not always a great benchmark. I’ll post again once I’ve done a side by side.

    And yes, as agreed previously, differences can be subtle or incremental and most won’t value those differences. But I do. And sometimes, differences can be stark e.g. ditting 64mm versus ilatlmill 64mm. Night and day.

    And as always, I’m only speaking for myself.

    If you love your Mazzers more power to you.

      Tom didn’t you replace the Malawi grinder with mazzer burrs?

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        Cuprajake spot on Jake. As posted above, I’m a fan of their conicals, both Kony and Robur. I replaced the Italmill burrs that come with the Livi with Roburs. Same burr as in the Weber Key and Weber HG series.

        And your question was on the money because I was jumping to premature conclusions.

          Ernie1 on the other hand it’s really clever to keep the look, as I defiantly wouldn’t get a new grinder past the other half!

          Maybe if it is close enough to the original she wouldn’t notice.

              pete10uk Maybe if it is close enough to the original she wouldn’t notice.

              That is very funny … part of their brilliant covert fly under the radar strategy?

              Only fly in the ointment is if one wanted to keep them both …

                  tompoland Only fly in the ointment is if one wanted to keep them both …

                  Then you could blame the eyesight and get a second coffee machine too!

                    I’ll be interested when a side by side review of the conical vs flat comes out. Would also be interesting to be a side by side against the sworksdesign conversion kit as well.

                      Verion I relented and ordered one. So I could do a side by side with Zero and Duo. But it will be a bit of an apples to oranges comparison between the conical and flat burrs. But if people are interested in impressions, happy to oblige.

                      The more interesting comparison (for me personally) will be between the DF83 Australian/New Zealand V2 (which arrived this week) with the DLC burrs, and the Niche Duo. Roll on July!

                          tompoland But it will be a bit of an apples to oranges comparison between the conical and flat burrs.

                          Why is this?

                              Some guy on Hb forum was saying mazzer burrs are not good for light roast espresso, apparently light roast wears down mazzer burrs. And people should use SSP 🤯

                              I have had both SSP and am now back on ti coated mazzer burrs,

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                                MWJB

                                Well … apples and oranges are both fruit but offer different experiences. Neither good nor bad, just different.

                                Similarly, a 63mm conical and an 83mm flat, each with quite different burr geometry, offer different experiences.

                                That pretty much sums up why we have different burrs.

                                They can both do everything, and they each do some things better than the other.

                                A 63mm Mazzer Kony conical is my pick for a double ristretto pulled with a La San Marco lever and a medium roasted Kenyan Lena AA at 93 degrees. That’s a match made in heaven. For me.

                                An 83mm Gorilla Gear DLC flat is going to give me what I want with a light roasted high altitude Yemi bean using Rao’s Blooming profile and 96 degrees on the Decent.

                                Those two experiences are a world apart, as far apart as an apple and an orange.

                                But I think that within the great Conical vs Flat debate, there are other variables that have to be factored in, in order to reach any meaningful (there is that word again) conclusions, and the most impactful of those variables are the bean and roast depth.

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                                    Cuprajake

                                    Surely lighter roasted beans will wear down any burrs faster as they tend to be much harder than darker roasted beans. Even if the Mazzer burrs are slightly softer than others they would surely still last a very long time in a domestic environment.

                                        @tompoland and others
                                        Out of curiosity what would you consider the taste profile of the Mazer Kony burrs in my current Niche? For espresso vs V60?

                                        And …. does anyone know which specific burrs are used in the Niche Zero and thereby the likely taste profile?

                                          Dusk

                                          I think there is a difference between lighter roasted beans needing a more powerful motor or better gearbox to grind and the beans wearing out the hardened steel burrs.
                                          All of those burrs are really ’ken hard compared to the beans.

                                              There may be, but for a home user to wear out a burr set, is some dedicated drinking 🤣

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                                              Amberale

                                              This is my point, I’m not convinced anyone is likely to wear out any burrset with any type of beans in a domestic environment. So I would take anyone claiming Mazzer burrs will wear out quickly with a pinch of salt.

                                                MWJB I mean there’s been lots of discussion on burr differences for some time, ranging from attempts to measure, record and calculate particle distributions using different methods to anecdotal accounts and sometimes both. You may not consider them meaningful but there’s plenty out there pointing to burr geometry making a difference.

                                                Do you have any data to the contrary?

                                                    Is the motor really 130W? That seems a bit… underpowered for 83mm burrs. I’d be more worried about wearing that out than the burrs.

                                                    The Major that uses those burrs (assuming they are Major burrs) is 650W… even the Mazzer Mini is 250W.

                                                    In fact a Baratza Encore has more power…