Well, how about that! Niche just released an 83 mm flat burr grinder. Love my conical, but very interesting. They are using two burr sets: one for espresso and one for drip.

I backed the Timemore grinder. The Niche duo is twice the price but perhaps more likely to be reliable. I’m conflicted now…

Comes with two sets of burrs as standard, that's pretty good.

Anybody noted that the photo of the burrs show different rotation?

Hmmm all very interested and then its April 1st - bit as you can order it…. It does say its not shipping to July 2023. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/oRn6FKK.png[/IMG][/URL]

On the one hand this doesn’t seem weird enough to be an April Fool’s. A Niche with a massive hopper or something would’ve been more of a joke. On the other, for a machine known for it’s great workflow, it seems slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day.

Tbh the ‘sold with two burrs’ is the only thing that makes me question this.

> @"Ernie1"#p40980 slightly weird to have to change burrs to switch coffee types as if anyone would actually just casually switch burrs multiple times a day. You don’t need to. But if you want to grind correctly for filter (as in, be more optimised for that method, extract better flavours etc) you are better off with the more appropriate burr set.

@"Igm45"#p40981 Didn’t someone reference a patent entry in this forum a couple of weeks back which alluded to that very design? Edit: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/47/93/9b/b7dc1dd206b3c3/WO2023274895A1.pdf

Niche flat burr released

Ernie1

Ahh yes.

Slower than I expected but I guess that’s down to motor speed. Still, not a slouch.

simonc

Ernie1 no slouch indeed. My old grinder on its steel burrs would be 1g per 2.5s!

simonc

Wow. If this was released a few weeks ago I would have been turn between this and the kopi Deva for a flat burr. The looks and adjustable rpm of the kopi Deva Vs the workflow and cleanliness of the niche.

So so many new grinders this year.

Msmk0

Whitout knowing nothing (there are no reviews nor videos around yet), not sure Niche desing will handle well retention with slightly inclined flats as it was designed for conical burrs.

We don’t also know yet how many RPMs it will handle, but in HB they posted a manual that shows motor is only 130W (maybe a mistake IDK) … so not sure how such low power is capable with these big burrs.

Ernie1

Msmk0 not sure Niche desing will handle well retention with slightly inclined flats as it was designed for conical burrs.

This is what I was wondering also. I guess to mount the burrs vertically like on other low retention flats it would’ve needed a new design.

Not that that would’ve been a bad thing 😉

Sometimes with angled flats you see a secondary method like bellows so I’d be curious to know how it retains so little relying only on gravity. Especially on high-static coarse settings.

PaulL

I ordered this morning as soon as I realised. So much went into the Zero technically as I understand it that I can’t imagine it’s any different for the Duo. I’m looking forward to the reviews (well actually that’s not true as I’m an old dog that thinks most reviewers and influencers are full of sh!¥) which I would hope will answer the typical questions this and other forums will speculate over.

Mostly I’m looking forward to trying for myself the difference between espresso and filter burrs for V60 and cafetière and then for espresso drinks on my Vesuvius how the espresso burrs compare with my previous Ceado E37s which of course had a different brand of 83mm burrs.

JahLaza

Did anyone on this forum have any input into this product…??

tompoland

JahLaza I bought a total of 3 Niche Zeroes so I guess I partly funded it. Does that count? 😁

John_Yossarian

JahLaza And by “anyone” you mean DavecUK? 😀

MWJB

Ernie1 This is what I was wondering also. I guess to mount the burrs vertically like on other low retention flats it would’ve needed a new design.

Would that make any difference, or even increase retention? As you need more space/volume on the grind path for augers etc?

tompoland

Lots of questions until we have hands on reviews. But if I was a buyer (I’m not) I’d take a lot of comfort from the fact that the 1st Niche was so incredibly well thought out that it’s hard to imagine them making a mess of this one.

That said I’m not convinced that Mazzer 151 burr series are the best choice for 83mm flats. I’m a fan of Mazzer conicals and I think the Mazzer Kony was perfect for the Niche Zero. But SSP, Gorilla Gear, Compak, Caedo Opal Glide all have 83mm flats that rate highly. A bit pricier of course. And burrs can be swapped out.

In the past, a lot of my questions and comments have been about grinders but I’m starting to think that the more important conversations are about burrs.

MWJB

tompoland but I’m starting to think that the more important conversations are about burrs.

But other than personal & subjective perceptions on burrs & ‘suck it and see’ burr swaps, there aren’t any meaningful conversations. If you want one you’ll have to create it, including data, technical details and glossary.

Cuprajake

What’s wrong with mazzer burrs? I have them in my major and had the SSP hu burrs also

I’d say alignment is more important

You can have any burr you want but if it’s not aligned correctly you are peeing in the wind.

There seems to be a massive new trend in burrs, and we’re talking minute differences in most of them.

Cuprajake

What’s wrong with mazzer burrs? I have them in my major and had the SSP hu burrs also

I’d say alignment is more important

You can have any burr you want but if it’s not aligned correctly you are peeing in the wind.

There seems to be a massive new trend in burrs, and we’re talking minute differences in most of them.

tompoland

Cuprajake nothing wrong with them. And to be fair, I may be prematurely judging their 151 series based on cafe results which is not always a great benchmark. I’ll post again once I’ve done a side by side.

And yes, as agreed previously, differences can be subtle or incremental and most won’t value those differences. But I do. And sometimes, differences can be stark e.g. ditting 64mm versus ilatlmill 64mm. Night and day.

And as always, I’m only speaking for myself.

If you love your Mazzers more power to you.

FadedFrontiers

MWJB yeah but the point is burrs do make a significant difference, just because there’s no universally agreed way to measure the differences doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

It’s also pretty clear from using the same burrs in different 64mm single dosers like DF64 and Ode that burrs are more important to taste than the specific grinders you put them in.

Why would Niche even bother offering different burr sets for filter and espresso otherwise?

tompoland

MWJB But other than personal & subjective perceptions on burrs & ‘suck it and see’ burr swaps, there aren’t any meaningful conversations

For starters, thats a lot of conversations right there.

And yes, I am creating them. I’m not expecting anyone else to. Been doing that a while now.

And see, we’re having one right now 😜

Waitforme

Pity it can’t be ordered with espresso only burrs for a few shillings less.

Seems a bit off to be charging for burrs that one may never use , it’d be better if it could be specced with one or t’other , hmm but then they’d have to change the name 🫣

Nightrider_1uk

Waitforme hmm but then they’d have to change the name 🫣

They could call it the Niche Flat

Cuprajake

Waitforme i suppose its a bit hard from a manufacturing point of view, the filter burrs are the mazzer 151F, these cost around £90 to buy from looking online, the issue is what do you charge for the carrier, having looked at the machined aluminium, its worth more than £20, so if they sell the grinder for £700, do they then charge £150-170 for the filter burrs? would that be classed as a rip off? i dunno….see what im getting at. i can understand the considered frustration changing burrs daily, but its 60s out of the routine, the kettle takes longer to boil…

JahLaza

Hard to please everyone !!

dutchy101

Seems like a very well thought out grinder from the Niche camp, again.

Seems there is never really a grinder people will largely agree does espresso and brews equally well. If it manages to do this it might be the Niche killer

dfk41

What is there not to like? I drink brewed coffee several times a week. Would I want to make a half decent brew, or just accept whatever old twoddle my espresso grinder chcuked out? Even esteemed grinders like the EK43 are right at the end of their range when using non speciality burrs for both espresso and brewed. If I understand the little information that is either out there or you can glean from the releases, you can switch the whole burr carrier between espresso and brewed burrs. Thinking out loud, if this is right, then Niche must have cracked the alignment issues that so many grinders suffer from.

I had a Ceado E37S which is an 83 mm grinder many years ago. It cost a lot more than £799. It could not single dose. it could not satisfy espresso and brewed. Are our expectations simply too high nowadays? Ans please, do not mention speciality burrs to me!

Whether you think you can, or whether you think you cannot

You are probably right anyway

I know a super taster……he would not waste 50p on speciality burrs on the basis that the outlay simply does not justify the gains

dndrich

I am a huge fan of my Niche. I use it for both drip and espresso, and am delighted. That said, there are many who seem to prefer flat burrs for espresso and drip. Under that circumstance, given the amount of thought and engineering that went into the first Niche, I will be shocked if this new product isn’t fantastic. I’m sure the Niche folks would prefer a single set of burrs for both purposes, but there does not appear to be any grinder out there that can do that now. So in this case I am going to predict that the espresso burrs and flat burrs will be great, and anybody who purchases this gets really 2 grinders in one product. We shall see how they have set up the ease of changing the burrs, alignment, and other work processes, but given the great design of their first grinder, I bet they have a good solution. It will be fun to find out! I look forward to the reviews. Way to go Niche!

dndrich

OK, went to the website and saw that the owner’s manual is there. Interesting reading. Looks like they have changed the calibration ring a bit. Nice design. Changing the burrs requires unscrewing the bolt at the top, removing the burrs, cleaning a bit, and putting in the new burrs. Seems simple enough. But probably not something you want to do every day. For me I make drip and espresso every day using the Niche. I am happy with the drip quality from the conical burr set, so that works for me. Well done Niche.

Ernie1

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Perhaps not I guess. I just thought as the burrs are vertical, as the grounds fall through there’s not really anywhere else for them to go.

I appreciate flat burrs are cut with a slope though which funnels the grounds downwards.

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