What is there not to like? I drink brewed coffee several times a week. Would I want to make a half decent brew, or just accept whatever old twoddle my espresso grinder chcuked out? Even esteemed grinders like the EK43 are right at the end of their range when using non speciality burrs for both espresso and brewed. If I understand the little information that is either out there or you can glean from the releases, you can switch the whole burr carrier between espresso and brewed burrs. Thinking out loud, if this is right, then Niche must have cracked the alignment issues that so many grinders suffer from.

I had a Ceado E37S which is an 83 mm grinder many years ago. It cost a lot more than £799. It could not single dose. it could not satisfy espresso and brewed. Are our expectations simply too high nowadays? Ans please, do not mention speciality burrs to me!

Whether you think you can, or whether you think you cannot

You are probably right anyway

I know a super taster……he would not waste 50p on speciality burrs on the basis that the outlay simply does not justify the gains

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I am a huge fan of my Niche. I use it for both drip and espresso, and am delighted. That said, there are many who seem to prefer flat burrs for espresso and drip. Under that circumstance, given the amount of thought and engineering that went into the first Niche, I will be shocked if this new product isn’t fantastic. I’m sure the Niche folks would prefer a single set of burrs for both purposes, but there does not appear to be any grinder out there that can do that now. So in this case I am going to predict that the espresso burrs and flat burrs will be great, and anybody who purchases this gets really 2 grinders in one product. We shall see how they have set up the ease of changing the burrs, alignment, and other work processes, but given the great design of their first grinder, I bet they have a good solution. It will be fun to find out! I look forward to the reviews. Way to go Niche!

OK, went to the website and saw that the owner’s manual is there. Interesting reading. Looks like they have changed the calibration ring a bit. Nice design. Changing the burrs requires unscrewing the bolt at the top, removing the burrs, cleaning a bit, and putting in the new burrs. Seems simple enough. But probably not something you want to do every day. For me I make drip and espresso every day using the Niche. I am happy with the drip quality from the conical burr set, so that works for me. Well done Niche.

Ernie1 This is what I was wondering also. I guess to mount the burrs vertically like on other low retention flats it would’ve needed a new design.

Would that make any difference, or even increase retention? As you need more space/volume on the grind path for augers etc?

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    Perhaps not I guess. I just thought as the burrs are vertical, as the grounds fall through there’s not really anywhere else for them to go.

    I appreciate flat burrs are cut with a slope though which funnels the grounds downwards.

    MWJB yeah but the point is burrs do make a significant difference, just because there’s no universally agreed way to measure the differences doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

    It’s also pretty clear from using the same burrs in different 64mm single dosers like DF64 and Ode that burrs are more important to taste than the specific grinders you put them in.

    Why would Niche even bother offering different burr sets for filter and espresso otherwise?

        Don’t think we’re saying different burrs don’t make a difference, but it’s not night and day in most cases it’s more subtle than that.

        Having to go into tds etc to provide data, I can taste the difference between the SSP and the stock mazzer in my major,

        Think the key is having a good base grinder, but my SSP were like £350, it gets expensive quick

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          FadedFrontiers Why would Niche even bother offering different burr sets for filter and espresso otherwise?

          The espresso set will have a finer finishing area (less peaks/troughs), to achieve a finer grind (this is a common difference between filter, espresso & Turkish burrs from a common pattern). This isn’t really what I was talking about, I’m talking more about different burrs, from different manufacturers, or a significantly different cutting surface design.

          Different burrs can shift the flavour perception, sure, but do they do it consistently, in the same way, across a sample of subjects (all other parameters being reasonably equal)? If we know how & why they do this (beyond simply targeting differing grind size ranges) who is sharing this info?

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                  Is it correct that Niche charge the 20% UK VAT on overseas orders? Not sure I’d be over the moon about that if I was ordering from abroad.

                  Is that not just what happens to the EU? And vice versa if a company is vat registered. So there would be no import?

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                  @Cuprajake I think that’s what’s supposed to happen. I just read some angry posts on Reddit suggesting it might not be.

                  [unknown] there’s one Irish bloke kicking off I think lol

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                    Cuprajake MWJB

                    I’m not disputing the value for money but it’s clear that geometries absolutely result in repeatable and consistent differences. It’s great that the Duo will make swapping out burrs relatively easy for precisely this reason.

                    If the Mazzer filter burrs only provide a coarser grinding range over their espresso counterparts then it’s a bit of a wasted feature out of the box, but it will be a big draw for those who don’t care about cost and want to switch between other burrs with other flavour profiles like for example the upcoming 83mm lab sweets.

                    The cutting pattern differences between Mazzer 151As, SSP 83 HUs, K30s and other big espresso burrs aren’t massively different so the flavour difference not as pronounced compared to say the low fines geometries you see on the MPs, ProM or Kenia. Not saying smaller particle distributions are objectively better but they certainly taste different, have less of an espresso dialling in range, etc.