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DavecUK Go find a grinder that will grind green coffee from a standing start! If it will do that, it’s going to grind with other burrs.

I would have expected the Niche Zero to have been able to as well given the similarities with the Duo, so in that case the Zero is incapable of it?

LMSC It might therefore require different customisation, RPM, and prolonged testing for a given burrs set than designed and tested for mazzer. We won’t know unless alternate burrs are tested extensively.

Exactly my point, not been done and that’s fine but there’s now a rush to create aftermarket 83mm burrs so more will be appearing. Can’t rule out NZ GG happening again but with a new pair of 83mms in the future.

Regarding Niche selling extra burr carriers, that’s not going to stop people swapping out burrs regardless. They might as well make extra money from it and have the disclaimer that warranties are void if using other burrs or something.

Cuprajake then there’s nothing for Niche to fear, no reason to miss out on selling extra carriers. If they’ve been so thoroughly tested and there’s no reason to worry about the motor handling them then optimal speeds or other taste-related issues shouldn’t matter. You’re always going to have to deal with user error with warranty claims anyway.

The Mazzer 83mms are well made burrs and no doubt handle lights better than the Zero’s 63mms but that doesn’t mean every user will be satisfied with them over burrs designed for them or other purposes, like the MPs which were designed for light roasts over more traditional espresso. If people want to fork out more to change the burrs for their tastes then what’s the issue.

FadedFrontiers As the replies a few posts above, motor, gears, etc. I went searching but couldn’t find confirmation, was aware of different torque requirements but wasn’t aware of the Mazzers in the Zero stalling with some roasts until just pointed out now. Surprised since I recall hearing how the Zero was also extensively stress tested with all kinds of beans.

It was, I stress tested it with the Mazzers and couldn’t stall them. Do you have the link to where it was posted that the Niche Zero grinder stalled with light roasts and the original Mazzer burrs. So a few questions to clarify?

• Do you have links to the posts claiming it was stalling?
• Also was it more than one grinder in a huge number of zeros sold? I would have thought we would all have heard much more if it was even 1% of units sold.
• Did you recall seeing, or hearing 3rd hand?
• Did the user Contact Niche
• Was it that the bolt wasn’t tightened or did the motor actually stop spinning?
• It definitely wasn’t a grinder with the Gorilla Gear burrs in it was it?
• Did the person put in Italmill burrs (coated or uncoated), as that would cause problems.

I know it’s a lot of questions, because I’m quite puzzled, in that the Mazzer Kony burrs are not only excellent burrs but have an unusual characteristic in a conical burr. As you go finer, the burr doesn’t load up, so it actually never gets any harder to move. This was not the case with the Italmill burrs and I suspect the same for the Gorilla Gear ones, touted as a better replacement for Mazzers in the Niche Zero relatively recently.

The circuit board does have a cut out on it, so in the unusual circumstance that the motor tries to draw too much power, it will cut the power. This needs to be quite a lot of power though, I can only say more than 200% (commercial confidence). Could it have been this single component (possibly faulty) on the board which was cutting out earlier than it should…which might explain it if it was only 1 or 2 grinders out of the many units sold

FadedFrontiers Like others on here I’m asking genuine questions and giving my opinion but getting defensive short, replies that often miss the point to automatically defend Niche’s every decision.

Well you got a nice long reply from me that’s not defensive, So I await your detailed comments with interest, as you must have put some thought into this prior to posting. I think I have managed to grasp the point of your post and I’m not defending any decision of Niche. In fact I would be interested in what decisions you think are being defended by others on the forum.

Your more than welcome to express considered critical thought on the Niche…but don’t be surprised if people ask for details…as I am. The weight I put on an opinion is directly proportional to the effort people put in to making them. As always, carefully considered opinions are the lifeblood of any forum and should be considered a “gift” by all……Over to you. 🙂

DavecUK I was referring to Jake’s post, and it wasn’t a central part of my point either. And it doesn’t answer my question about whether the Zero could handle green beans?

Cuprajake Just been informed I have seen a zero stall lol,

Thank you @HVL87

That was a long time ago

I’m not very clued up on the zero, it’s not really my bag

For what’s worth…

I remember well @HVL87 had a Zero with a motor which would stall with light roasts. I remember seeing videos. He then contacted Niche and, to no one’s surprise, the motor was swiftly replaced and I don’t believe he had any problems since.

DavecUK if the Duo’s motor can handle it what’s the issue with other users swapping burrs out if they want. Niche may as well sell carriers as there’s already some demand for them. I thought there was a risk of future untested burrs causing problems like with the GG and NZ but that seems unlikely.

Sensible replies have clearly understood this, only a couple of thin skinned comments saying “don’t buy it then” which add nothing to the conversation are defending Niche’s decision making. These were the same unhelpful and defensive comments when users legitimately brought up their desire for a single burr version of the Duo, before Niche of course changed their mind and listened. Hope that clears it up.