FadedFrontiers I would have expected the Niche Zero to have been able to as well given the similarities with the Duo, so in that case the Zero is incapable of it?

Why is that then…what similarities do you percieve?

    FadedFrontiers yeah we have to put up with alot of trolls sadly, across various platforms, luckily most forums let’s you hide people, it’s a great feature…👋

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      Cuprajake yeah we have to put up with alot of trolls sadly, across various platforms, luckily most forums let’s you hide people, it’s a great feature…👋

      Like others on here I’m asking genuine questions and giving my opinion but getting defensive short, replies that often miss the point to automatically defend Niche’s every decision. Hypocritical to liken that to trolling when it’s fine to express critical thought about any other grinder manufacturer on the planet. But no, if any YouTuber doesn’t share your opinion then they’re the biased one?

      DavecUK Why is that then…what similarities do you percieve?

      As the replies a few posts above, motor, gears, etc. I went searching but couldn’t find confirmation, was aware of different torque requirements but wasn’t aware of the Mazzers in the Zero stalling with some roasts until just pointed out now. Surprised since I recall hearing how the Zero was also extensively stress tested with all kinds of beans.

        I’m with @FadedFrontiers here. Although I personally don’t have any interest in using the niche apart from how it’s been designed and how it came out of the box, some people will, if that’s what floats their boat.

        And if Niche provides a platform where these can be easily done with fast interchangeable burr carriers, that’s great and a huge selling point. Maybe Niche will have a list of “accredited burrs” or something. Who knows.

        Of course there’s always a risk for the end user, but Niche should cover that in their disclaimer and warranty policy. Users cannot make complaints for not using equipment as intended. It’s like buying a new car and put wheels bigger than what’s designed for and then complain the vehicle is not working as it should.

        FadedFrontiers As the replies a few posts above, motor, gears, etc. I went searching but couldn’t find confirmation, was aware of different torque requirements but wasn’t aware of the Mazzers in the Zero stalling with some roasts until just pointed out now. Surprised since I recall hearing how the Zero was also extensively stress tested with all kinds of beans.

        It was, I stress tested it with the Mazzers and couldn’t stall them. Do you have the link to where it was posted that the Niche Zero grinder stalled with light roasts and the original Mazzer burrs. So a few questions to clarify?

        • Do you have links to the posts claiming it was stalling?
        • Also was it more than one grinder in a huge number of zeros sold? I would have thought we would all have heard much more if it was even 1% of units sold.
        • Did you recall seeing, or hearing 3rd hand?
        • Did the user Contact Niche
        • Was it that the bolt wasn’t tightened or did the motor actually stop spinning?
        • It definitely wasn’t a grinder with the Gorilla Gear burrs in it was it?
        • Did the person put in Italmill burrs (coated or uncoated), as that would cause problems.

        I know it’s a lot of questions, because I’m quite puzzled, in that the Mazzer Kony burrs are not only excellent burrs but have an unusual characteristic in a conical burr. As you go finer, the burr doesn’t load up, so it actually never gets any harder to move. This was not the case with the Italmill burrs and I suspect the same for the Gorilla Gear ones, touted as a better replacement for Mazzers in the Niche Zero relatively recently.

        The circuit board does have a cut out on it, so in the unusual circumstance that the motor tries to draw too much power, it will cut the power. This needs to be quite a lot of power though, I can only say more than 200% (commercial confidence). Could it have been this single component (possibly faulty) on the board which was cutting out earlier than it should…which might explain it if it was only 1 or 2 grinders out of the many units sold

        FadedFrontiers Like others on here I’m asking genuine questions and giving my opinion but getting defensive short, replies that often miss the point to automatically defend Niche’s every decision.

        Well you got a nice long reply from me that’s not defensive, So I await your detailed comments with interest, as you must have put some thought into this prior to posting. I think I have managed to grasp the point of your post and I’m not defending any decision of Niche. In fact I would be interested in what decisions you think are being defended by others on the forum.

        Your more than welcome to express considered critical thought on the Niche…but don’t be surprised if people ask for details…as I am. The weight I put on an opinion is directly proportional to the effort people put in to making them. As always, carefully considered opinions are the lifeblood of any forum and should be considered a “gift” by all……Over to you. 🙂

          DavecUK I was referring to Jake’s post, and it wasn’t a central part of my point either. And it doesn’t answer my question about whether the Zero could handle green beans?

          Cuprajake Just been informed I have seen a zero stall lol,

          Thank you @HVL87

          That was a long time ago

          I’m not very clued up on the zero, it’s not really my bag

            For what’s worth…

            I remember well @HVL87 had a Zero with a motor which would stall with light roasts. I remember seeing videos. He then contacted Niche and, to no one’s surprise, the motor was swiftly replaced and I don’t believe he had any problems since.

            FadedFrontiers I was referring to Jake’s post, and it wasn’t a central part of my point either. And it doesn’t answer my question about whether the Zero could handle green beans?

            Ah, no, it’s not designed to handle green beans and I would imagine the safety cut out would operate if you tried. Hopefully that’s your question 100% answered.

            Was that the central point of your comment?

              DavecUK if the Duo’s motor can handle it what’s the issue with other users swapping burrs out if they want. Niche may as well sell carriers as there’s already some demand for them. I thought there was a risk of future untested burrs causing problems like with the GG and NZ but that seems unlikely.

              Sensible replies have clearly understood this, only a couple of thin skinned comments saying “don’t buy it then” which add nothing to the conversation are defending Niche’s decision making. These were the same unhelpful and defensive comments when users legitimately brought up their desire for a single burr version of the Duo, before Niche of course changed their mind and listened. Hope that clears it up.

                Yeah but it’s not a very valid point

                You’re asking if they can fit an aftermarket burr, a burr which the manufacturer has said they do not recommend.

                Anything after this is operating out of manufacturer’s spec. So it’s a mute point.

                I ground green beans to see what it would do, it wasn’t my grinder so I didn’t feel bad if it broke.

                If you are wanting to trail SSP I would recommend using them in grinders SSP recommended.

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                I’m not wanting to fit SSPs or anything else to it and don’t plan on either, I’m just saying it’s a legitimate thing for some users to want to do even if you don’t personally think it’s worth it. Niche can not recommend swapping to other burrs and also sell a spare carrier, win win for them.

                I also didn’t ask if they fit aftermarket burrs, I wondered if was tested and the motor could handle them and was told they could so am struggling to see the issue.

                Anyway it’s fine to have different opinions on this I’m not wanting to pull the thread on a tangent so happy to leave it there. Just don’t think it’s accurate to call any of my posts trolling when I’ve defended Niche in this exact same thread. 😆

                  FadedFrontiers I wondered if was tested and the motor could handle them and was told they could so am struggling to see the issue was told they could so am struggling to see the issue.

                  Keeping it simple, I would, personally, ignore all recommendations unless it comes from the manufacture. Because the risk is mine alone if it were to void the warranty.

                  Some users might want to install SSP burrs. It’s their machine, taste profile, decision and risk.

                  FadedFrontiers if the Duo’s motor can handle it what’s the issue with other users swapping burrs out if they want. Niche may as well sell carriers as there’s already some demand for them. I thought there was a risk of future untested burrs causing problems like with the GG and NZ but that seems unlikely.

                  I think you will only get an answer to that question from Niche. Most manufacturers of things, don’t like aftermarket parts being installed for various reasons…something only the manufacturer can answer, if they choose to do so. On here, any discussion as to rationale is simply going to be speculation.

                  As for what users do or don’t want to fit, it’s entirely down to them….after all, it’s their grinder, their money and their choice

                  FadedFrontiers Niche can not recommend swapping to other burrs and also sell a spare carrier, win win for them.

                  Not quite sure what this means, do you mean “now” rather than “not”. gain thought, I am sure they will welcome your suggestions on how they can get a win/win.

                    DavecUK no, they can plausibly do both - not recommend you swap them out but also sell additional carriers for those wishing to take the risk.

                    Anyway we are all in agreement, I wasn’t speculating about their rationale I was just saying what’s the big deal if people want to change burrs. I wouldn’t do it but no need to go after others who have different tastes or preferences with burrs, even if you personally think it’s a waste of money.

                    DavecUK I am sure they will welcome your suggestions on how they can get a win/win.

                    Maybe if they didn’t actually (rightly) backtrack and listen to the feedback regarding selling a single burr version and the VAT charges before then that flippant suggestion would have landed better 😆 again I think most are in agreement that was the correct thing to do and it’s good Niche listened, except anyone still committed to Niche’s original decision in the first place.

                    I can understand the siege mentality about Niche when there’s a lot of forums that now seem to dislike anything it does for no good reason, but I don’t think there’s anyone on here with an agenda. There’s been good faith suggestions like ‘oh it would be good if they sell a single burr version/fix vat/sell spare burr carriers, etc.’ and it gets treated like it’s an unreasonable attack on the company. Yet on another thread about Timemore, Meticulous etc on the other hand then people pile on a lot worse and it’s fine.

                      FadedFrontiers Yet on another thread about Timemore, Meticulous etc on the other hand then people pile on a lot worse and it’s fine.

                      The big difference is that people don’t tolerate a pile on as much if they already own the kit in question. Human nature.

                      Didn’t see your reply as its been edited to add more, if you want to add more just add a fresh post or stuff easy gets missed, one of my biggest bug bear with forums is posts being edited to add more then it’s missed or stuff gets taken out of context.

                      Niche seem to have backed down due to public demand for a single burr option, which is a shame really as it makes a mockery of the name of the product now, the one burr duo 🤷

                      Attack is a strong word re the other subject, if you mean people are quite rightly worried about the amount of money sunk into something like the meticulous then fair do but it’s not an attack.

                      There was a post like this recently which prompted me to create poles asking what grinders people use

                      https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/1724-whats-your-grinder

                      50% of the 60 votes use a niche, so your going to get more natural bias towards that product.

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                        Cuprajake which is a shame really as it makes a mockery of the name of the product now, the one burr duo

                        I struggle to understand this Jake, no offence. If prospective customers are voicing their frustration about dual burr sets, (yep, some of us don’t care about filter coffee that much!) do you believe it’s wrong they listened? Maybe they should have added a marketing spin on the name of the product and called it the “Uno” or whatever their marketing department comes up with but doing nothing could’ve been a launch disaster for them.

                        In my humble opinion, the price change to remove VAT was the biggest one. I bet people would have ignored the dual burr option and would have bought the grinder regardless. But I think it’s great they listened to their prospective customers - potentially now actual customers - and got things right in the end.

                        Non taken, just seems a shame they went down that route for a couple years only to back track immediately.

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                          And it’s still a duo as it can take two sets of burrs for different brew types, I’m not aware that other grinders that are designed specifically that way?

                          Cuprajake

                          I think it shows Niche to be a very good business who listen to their customers. There have been many products made in the past (outside of coffee) that are based on lots of research, testing and focus groups but still end up a massive flop. Niche listened and immediately responded so fair play to them in my eyes. Being stubborn doesn’t make good business sense, being pragmatic does.