Ahh got it. So, the hardened chrome steel ball not the stainless steel one that costs over £25.

Ordered and a couple of sink strainers too.

Cheers!

    Pompeyexile Ahh got it. So, the hardened chrome steel ball not the stainless steel one that costs over £25.

    Ordered and a couple of sink strainers too.

    Cheers!

    Might give it a whirl if it’s relatively low cost. Where did you buy yours?

        JHCCoffee Might give it a whirl if it’s relatively low cost. Where did you buy yours?

        Simply Bearings off the web the same as Systemic👍

        Oh, and a pair of sink strainers off Amazon at £2.99

        Ordered yesterday, arrived today.

          That’s what a I liked about this hack - it’s cheap. Those stainless steel balls they use for whiskey combined with a stainless steel sink strainer and u are good to go. I got mine from China and it was so cheap I got so many of the steel balls that I alternate between them.

          A bit pricier than ball bearings but very pretty and that’s the main thing 😀

          I’ll post once I’ve tried them.

          If I read this right the idea is to have only the first 20%-50% run over the frozen ball.

          Blimey Tompoland you never do things by halves do you… Mind you, having said that even at £44.99 plus postage over here, your golden balls are very enticing especially as you get 4 plus the holders.

          After buying the ball and sink strainer support I realised I do not have a small espresso cup with a small enough diameter so I found a retro one on Ebay whihc should be here this week.

          In for a penny…

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          I’ll try this filter version too. It will arrive next week and I’ll report in.

          I figure that I’ve invested so much in grinders and burrs, that it would be silly not to give it a whirl. It’s less than the price of the last kettle I bought. That’s what I keep telling myself anyway.

          I also tell myself that I don’t drink, smoke or do drugs. Although it’s getting to the point where a crack addiction might actually be cheaper 🤔

            tompoland I also tell myself that I don’t drink, smoke or do drugs. Although it’s getting to the point where a crack addiction might actually be cheaper 🤔

            Keep telling yourself that Tom 😀 while I tell myself I don’t need this before I go and check out how much it costs.

              Paragon frozen ball pour over gizmo costs £140 - feck that. Decided to do a bit of DIY. Here’s the result. Used an 03 and 02 Switch.

              Placed the frozen ball in the 02 with valve open.

              Sat the 03 on top of the 02 and on to the jug. Bit precarious but doable.

              Method. 30 grms roughly ground as for Chemex. 200 grms water in with valve open. At 45 secs, remainder of water with valve closed. Left until 2 min 30 secs then draw down which completed in total time of 3 mins 25 secs. EY was 19%. Temperature of coffee in jug was 69c.

              Tastewise, can’t say I noticed much but I had a tooth out couple of days ago so I am not on top form. Will definitely try again with some other beans over coming days as the methods isn’t much extra work.

                Systemic very innovative!

                Poured my first espresso today using the balls but messed it up somewhat. Going to run some blind taste tests the grinder lab on the weekend. I’ll be surprised (and delighted) if I can pick the difference.

                Is there an issue with stainless steel balls needing to be food safe? I’ve personally no idea. Boilers are SS so probably quite safe. It’s probably something our resident engineer would know about @DavecUK ?

                  Damn you tompoland! I love it!

                  If I had the taste buds and coffee preparation expertise the likes of you and many more on here possess, then I would be raiding my piggy bank right now. Having said that, when I try the heath robinson method (steel ball and sink strainer method) if I do actually notice a difference then…where’s that hammer?

                  Here’s a question though. I get it using this method for espresso as that pours in a matter of seconds. But surely the time it can take a pour over to filter through won’t the cold ball temp rise significantly with hot coffee pouring over it, thus defeating the whole objective?

                    Pompeyexile But surely the time it can take a pour over to filter through won’t the cold ball temp rise significantly with hot coffee pouring over it, thus defeating the whole objective?

                    My 500 grm brew dropped to 69c. My recommendation for getting the best out of brewed coffee is anything between 50-60c. Making a small brew will probably drop the temp more but not significantly. Might try that later. If you pre-heat your brewing kit, you won’t end up with lukewarm coffee.

                      Left the ball in the Switch for couple of hours before cleaning. Coffee residue washed off OK but left this.

                      Won’t be using it again. Ordered a stainless steel one.

                        Pompeyexile But surely the time it can take a pour over to filter through won’t the cold ball temp rise significantly with hot coffee pouring over it, thus defeating the whole objective?

                        The thing is, the coffee in either the espresso or filter set up is only meant to be poured on the balls for the first twenty to fifty percent of the pour.

                        I’m not sure if this is actually meaningful, but the other feature of the Paragon balls is they have some sort of special magical material inside the ball which is meant to keep it cooler for longer. Make of that what you will.

                            Pompeyexile If I had the taste buds and coffee preparation expertise the likes of you and many more on here possess

                            The thing is my taste buds are really quite average. I think that’s perhaps why my preferences aren’t the same as world champion baristas. I have had a lot of guests who tell me that they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a coffee from one grinder to the next. And they are universally surprised when I use two different grinders and give them samples because they can always detect the difference. (Bearing in mind I deliberately choose two distinctly different burrs such as SSP Espresso versus a DF DLC burr.)

                            The challenge of detecting the difference becomes much greater if there’s a long gap between the two samples e.g. your coffee at home versus visiting a mates place. And that’s why I set up the grinder lab; so I can do two espresso pours or two filter pours side by side with a variable (using two grinders or one with the balls and one without) and sample them blind immediately one after the other. Repeat three times and I either have a clear winner or the variable makes no difference.

                            But in regard to the average state of my taste buds, I figure that if I notice a distinct difference after blind taste testing then any Tom Dick or Harriet would probably do so too, unlike if The Hoff or The Hed could detect a difference, where we may not.

                            Good fun if you have the time.

                            And it’s not quite as expensive as some people imagine because I am starting to get offers to buy kit at wholesale on the basis that I will post my impressions. And then I can onsell that item without too much of a loss once I’ve finished the testing.

                            Another example of why it doesn’t always cost much is yesterday when I was asked if I wanted to test a new 83mm filter burr from a manufacturer that’s due out late this year. In this case, I don’t have to pay for it or even post my impressions. I just give them feedback. (When I was asked if I would like to test the burr set I replied that it was a bit like asking my dog if he wanted Fillet Mingnon for dinner.)

                            Burrs are the exception. I’ve had to pay full retail for all 31 sets (15 × 64mm and 16 × 83mm flats) that I have acquired in preparation for the “Burrnament” I’m launching in March and they may not be as easy to onsell once I’m done with them. Especially so given that I’ll be keeping the winners 😉.

                            So many burrs, so little time!

                            (**** Apparently the short version of the name Richard is considered worthy of redaction 😀 )

                              Systemic Won’t be using it again. Ordered a stainless steel

                              Thanks for the heads up, @Systemic

                              What was the construction of this one? Was it chrome? Why did it discolor?

                              Which one did you order now? How is it different? Feel free to post a link.

                                  tompoland

                                  I did see that but to be honest I couldn’t see how I could do that. Because the problem I can forsee, is me trying to whip the sink strainer and ball away from under the portafilter as coffee is still running out. I don’t know about a perfect recipe for espresso, more lke a perfect recipe for disaster for me…I mean, have you seen my picture?😁

                                  Seriously though, I will give it a try. I think maybe the best way to do it without creating a holy mess, will be to use some tongs to quickly take out the ball and leave the strainer in, as the indent the ball nestles in sit well below the lip of the cup. That is where the filter version in the video allowing you to swing it out of the way, comes into its own.