They are present at the institutional stand of Tanzania Booth DC-007 From tomorrow till Saturday. I remember these guys from Rimini. Paolo is there. [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/3NxUh7L.jpeg]

Hi Dave I have already contacted you on another forum , where you suggested the Evo Leva II is a end game machine - well i got mine last week A full blown EVO LEVA II with all bells and whistles except the lights package - My questions 1- How come the safety system only works when the machine is turned on I thought it was a passive system not active? 2-This machine seems to consume way more water than a E61 Bianca does ? The drip tray fills quickly, Is this normal ? 3-Please inform ACS to include some lubricating grease with the machine for lubricating the piston seals 4-Why does ACS not ship a 26mm basket depth instead of two 31mm 5- the printed user manual is atrocious, badly translated to english and not clear at times 6- i would also add that the furnished tamper could be a little tighter to the basket walls

> @"selmerfudd"#p70998 My questions > > 1- How come the safety system only works when the machine is turned on I thought it was a passive system not active? > > 2-This machine seems to consume way more water than a E61 Bianca does ? The drip tray fills quickly, Is this normal ? > > 3-Please inform ACS to include some lubricating grease with the machine for lubricating the piston seals > > 4-Why does ACS not ship a 26mm basket depth instead of two 31mm > > 5- the printed user manual is atrocious, badly translated to english and not clear at times > > 6- i would also add that the furnished tamper could be a little tighter to the basket walls 1. It requires enough water to be in the chamber to work, it's a passive system in that you don't need to do anything, but if the machine is switched off for example, there's no water in the lever cylinder and the lever would just fly up. It's designed to save you if the portafilter comes undone during a shot…the cup will smash, but the lever will come up slowly. 2. yes, when you pull the lever down, you fill the piston chamber. If your shot is say 32g, the other 25 ish grams of water will simply be ejected as clean water into the drip tray, In a lever without the auto pressure release system, you have to remove the cup and the same amount of water drains thru the coffee. **This is totally normal for all lever machines.** 3. This isn't as easy as it sounds…Invest in a tube of Molycote 111 it will last you a lifetime. The Evo2 is not very needy for seals or lubrication, I know someone whose seals are well over 3 years old and he has never lubricated or replaced them. I would recommend once every 6 months to 1 year (more likely to be 1 year). This machine has a very different group to say a Londinium, where you may have read a lot about very regular lubrication and frequent seal replacement. 4. I have recommended they also ship a 26mm, they probably just have not got round to it yet. 5. All things Italian, but it's not complicated 6. I thought mine was on the very tight side, surprised yours is loose, as it should be the same. If they are too tight, they can jam when they go deeper, or in alternative baskets e.g. My 26mm deep one. A few niggles about manual and tamper I guess, but for me it certainly is end game, super stable, quiet and produces fabulous shots that have that certain something only the LSM group can give. I don't hanker after any other machines.

@"DavecUK"#p71008 Thank you for your response , please understand that my comments do not reflect a negative view of the machine - I love the coffee it produces but as an engineer we are always wanting to refine so please take my comments here as a simple wish list 1-wish i had known about the 26 I would have asked Paolo to include one, 2-on another note there is one issue that could have been thought out better - Let us say the auto flush setting is set to 4.9 bar for a double shot and the pre-infusion setting is set to 5.5 bar- in this case because the pump cycles its way to the full five bars of pre-infusion instead of ramping slowly - and does so in pulses of pump activity causing a bouncing pressure as the grinds absorb the pre-infusion water -- the auto flush will engage and empty the group of its water during pre-infusion --this could have been thought out and thus preventing the auto flush to engage so early 3-what about water quality does the water used need to have a mineral content in order for the probes in the boiler to work correctly , can one use distilled or demineralized water - in other videos and machines you used RO water - how did you manage to get the water level probes to function correctly 4-did ACS ever consider a standby mode at a lower boiler temp 5- the "machine on" ,"machine off" programing leaves a lot to be desired - To only have one program per day is inconvenient, ACS could do better ! it would have been preferable to set a programmable "on time duration" then reverting to stand by , as example a 2.5 "hours on" and then revert to standby . Added to this the daily programming would then basically be to program the "COME ON TIMES ONLY: - this is the way another high end machine works and it works really really well , very flexible !! Example , the operator programs a 2.5 hour "on time before standby or even off if the design cant permit stand by " then he can go to step 2 and program this to happen on Monday at 6 AM , 11 AM, 3 PM, and 7 PM - and each other day with possibility of different "on times" every day

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> @"selmerfudd"#p71014 Thank you for your response , please understand that my comments do not reflect a negative view of the machine - I love the coffee it produces but as an engineer we are always wanting to refine so please take my comments here as a simple wish list > > 1-wish i had known about the 26 I would have asked Paolo to include one, > > 2-on another note there is one issue that could have been thought out better - > > Let us say the auto flush setting is set to 4.9 bar for a double shot and the pre-infusion setting is set to 5.5 bar- in this case because the pump cycles its way to the full five bars of pre-infusion instead of ramping slowly - and does so in pulses of pump activity causing a bouncing pressure as the grinds absorb the pre-infusion water – the auto flush will engage and empty the group of its water during pre-infusion –this could have been thought out and thus preventing the auto flush to engage so early > > 3-what about water quality does the water used need to have a mineral content in order for the probes in the boiler to work correctly , can one use distilled or demineralized water - in other videos and machines you used RO water - how did you manage to get the water level probes to function correctly > > 4-did ACS ever consider a standby mode at a lower boiler temp 1. You can buy them relatively cheaply from Amazon, or extremely cheaply from Chinese web sites. ACS alreay include more useful bits and pieces/accessories than many other manufacturers. Including things like Molykote, baskets etc.. simply pushes up the sale price. Unfairly against other machines offering less. Also not everyone wants the same things. e.g. They actually include a proper tamper and portafilter ring, other manufacturers don't. 2. If the auto release is set to 4.9 bar, that is very low, but fair enough, lets examine the straw man. The auto flush is engaging because at 5.5 bar measured by the machines main board and the auto end of shot pressure measured by the small board on the tiny display, could be out slightly. 5.5 bar is far to high for preinfusion really and so close to a 6 bar programmed limit where the system detects you have moved from preinfusion to main shot. This changes the timer and activates the release function, so it can now operate. As the release pressure is only slightly lower than the group and during PI the pressure can drop slightly…especially as you pull the lever down, then the autorelease will immediately go off. If you really have a need to use those values for PI and AR, you are better off selecting manual release and pressing the middle button at your desired pressure. In this way the programmed design so the machine works correctly for 99.9% of users, won't prevent you from doing what you want. You might say why not have settable values for all this, but this would make the complexity level in the small board hugely complex for most normal users 3. No, machines will function correctly on water with a TDS of 3%, this is true of all machines. RODI which has 0% will probably function as well, but I have never used RODI water. 4. Yes, the Vesuvius has this function, but the Vostok doesn't. This is because the entire machine is ready to use in 15m from Cold, and most prosumer E61 standby systems take about the same amount of time As for all the other stuff around timers The Vesuvius had a slightly more complex timer (it used the same main board), but it's hardly ever used as it's much easier and more flexible to use a smart switch and program it to do what you want via a phone app or Alexia routines. The main board used is the same for the Vesuvius, Evo2, Vostok 1, 2 and 3 group. It's an older tech board, but hugely reliable and made by Gicar, it has a limited amount of programming and inputs it can accept. In fact for the Evo/Vostock extra input pins had to be added! The Vesuvius had one set of programming, the Vostok another and neither can accept more programming, they are close to their limit. Changes by Gicar are very difficult to get, taking sometimes years, but always 9 months or so are hugely expensive, and often they make mistakes. This is because very large manufacturers like Lelit all get priority. This is why ACS have developed their own main board to move away from Gicar, which most manufacturers use, the rest use Proelind.. ACS will be using their own main board in the Falcon I, and gradually roll out it's use to their entire range. This board is an "entire powerful system on a chip", graphics, memory, WiFi, Blutooth, processor etc.. It will then interface with other daughter boards and components, like the auto shot release board….using a CAN bus system, just like in cars. This will be more advanced than any other machines on the market. This main board has the advantages of being very robust and much much smaller than the current mainboard and able to accept a huge amount of programming and variety of displays of any resolution and size, as well as great software version user updatability as new functions become available. It's far better ACS continue to develop what is the future, than throw **large** amounts of money in adding a few new functions to old Gicar tech.

> @"selmerfudd"#p71014 Let us say the auto flush setting is set to 4.9 bar for a double shot and the pre-infusion setting is set to 5.5 bar- in this case because the pump cycles its way to the full five bars of pre-infusion instead of ramping slowly - and does so in pulses of pump activity causing a bouncing pressure as the grinds absorb the pre-infusion water – the auto flush will engage and empty the group of its water during pre-infusion –this could have been thought out and thus preventing the auto flush to engage so early it is so difficult to believe that you are any kind of engineer, reading your 2 posts as there seems to be a clear misunderstanding of some basic points. you expect the safety system to work with no water. there's no polite answer ( to an actual engineer) but Dave managed to find one!! why would you use such parameters in real life other than to prove the machine works as it should and the parameters are nonsense. set realistic figures like pre infusion 2.5 - 3 bars dump 7 to 8 bars depending on output. im using 21.5g in the 32mm basket to get 48g out not sure what country you are in 26mm basket https://www.bluestarcoffee.eu/en/IMS-Competition-San-Marco-Basket/m-3422.aspx Tamper : https://www.bluestarcoffee.eu/en/Precision-Coffee-Tamper-544mm/m-5414.aspx im in the UK and am sure there are many suppliers. I actually prefer the ACS basket to the IMS! As for the drip tray. Plumb it in, and the inlet water. Its next level, you just use it. fills and empties itself. clean the drip tray every few weeks. Dave doesn't agree with me on this! I cant imagine a machine like this in use and not plumbed in. Do you add water to your washing machine using a bucket every time you use it > @"selmerfudd"#p71014 4-did ACS ever consider a standby mode at a lower boiler temp > > 5- the “machine on” ,“machine off” programing leaves a lot to be desired - To only have one program per day is inconvenient, ACS could do better ! > > it would have been preferable to set a programmable “on time duration” then reverting to stand by , as example a 2.5 “hours on” and then revert to standby . Added to this the daily programming would then basically be to program the "COME ON TIMES ONLY: - this is the way another high end machine works and it works really really well , very flexible !! Mate, its 2024. there's this thing called WiFi. buy a wifi plug. you can have as many schedules as you want as well as "hey google turn evo on" whenever you want. if you forget to turn it off "hey google turn evo off" will respond to the rest later after more coffee! P.S im a standard user . no link at all to ACS (or Dave). my opinions are my own based on owning and using the machine. There are a vast array of opinions for a single machine. you cant be an engineer. No lighting kit on top of not understanding basic parameter logic. ,🫣😋🤔 [URL=https://i.imgur.com/0KoL1iJ.jpeg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0KoL1iJ.jpeg[/IMG][/URL]

@"Adrianmsmith"#p71017 Adrianmsmith,, I do not know who or where u are , and i am going to be kind with my rebuttal - but where you got the idea that I expect the safety system to work with no water i will never know --to my knowing the safety system has not been described as to how it functions, as you know it has been kept quite hush hush by ACS- as well as by Dave Corby -whether it functions on a hydraulic or a purely mechanical system is anyones guess and I have not opened the group chamber nor looked at the piston to see how it functions , and actually nor will I do so ! As for the rest of your comments - no i prefer not to go the WIFI plug route if possible I like stuff integrated as is the bluetooth and weblink in my car and in my Nikon etc etc .I do not want another gadget for every feature . As for plumbed in - no -- my machine is too far from a water source and even so i would not remodel my house around an espresso machine and plumb it in- then requiring another gadget just to sense a possible water leak in any connections. As for pre-infusion values - this machine does not hit the 12ML/sec water debit to get a good puck saturation - i do not need high bars for pre infusion but I do need a high water output - the ideal pre infusion process - is to immediately start with a high water output for maximum saturation for a short time because the puck provides resistance especially to pre infusion - (without a high debit or pressure, for an instant or two, you will end up wetting the top layer of the puck producing an over extraction of the puck top and under extraction of its bottom,) this is well known - ( precisely why a Slayer does not pre-infuse -- it simply provides a more gentle extraction process because the water flow is too low during the first part of the coffee making process and the puck bottom is never saturated correctly ) ##### At this point u might say but i see drops coming from the porta-filter into the cup - those first drops are not a product of a good preinfusion they are but seepage from the top layer and they are already saturated so they cannot provide pre infusion to the the puck bottom , ***it needs to be done by a high water output and a good pressure to push down the water to the bottom puck layer then ""a back off time" where pressure is backed off and permitted to dissipate through the puck ( this might even be more so true of a deeper basket like the LSM 54 mm size ) -*** resulting in what you would want a final pre-infusin of about 2- bars -- ##### **BUT THIS SHOULD ONLY OCCUR ONCE THE PUCK IS FULLY SATURATED - NOT BEFORE !!! TO SATURATE FULLY YOU NEED MORE THAN 2-3 BARS FOR A VERY SHORT BURST OF TIME OR YOU NEED A VERY HIGH WATER OUTPUT-** *like La Marzocco does at 12ml/sec initial flow !!* I emailed re this with Paolo at ACS and he assured me the Leva does not hit 12ml/sec. My guess is that was the reason ACS abandoned the vibe as well as the gear pump due to long ramp up time and very low water output -YOU CANNOT PRE-INFUSE CORRECTLY WITH A VIBE PUMP - YOU WILL END UP WITH A COFFEE WITH NO MOUTHFEEL !

Don't pre infusion at 5bars that's pointless imo The Evo works best with a quick infusion I used 5s Most replace the acs baskets with ims comp versions. Much better As for the programming side of things that personal preference, but the machine warms up in 15 mins. Rodi or distilled shouldn't be used, you can with a mineral added say potassium bicarbonate The Evo really extracts high so use temp as a tool to change extraction not infusion The long slow londinium drip drip drip don't work on it.

Hi Cuprajake please read my response to Adriansmith as to why the needs for high pe-infusion values at the onset of pre infusion !

Ok If you asked the flow rate and it wasn't sufficient why buy it Fwiw the full rate of the gear pump was quicker Peace out As I have the distinct feeling you love the sound of your own voice way more than mine

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DavecUK

Adrianmsmith What machine do you use out of curiosity?

If I remember rightly A Rancilio Silvia Pro

JonWoo187 Just think it’s a bit odd to have to modify to that degree for better flow/dispersion. As in maybe the amateurs at ACS could be more involved in a more fine tuned device to put it mildly.

This statement is neither accurate, respectful, or fair. They practice continuous improvement and release those improvements as soon as they can. I remember from past posts you view this as using customers as beta testers. I see it as a similar approach to the IT world. These are not mass produced machines, so there is little to no stock to work through.

selmerfudd

DavecUK

Hi Dave – just saw your latest video on the new display – is there an upgrade kit for previous machines ,, mine was delivered a few weeks ago and has all the same display info except for the last screen showing “pre to brew” and the 5 second non-solenoid active feature

is this an entirely new board or is it a simple software update

thx

selmerfudd

JonWoo187

Wow – its getting nasty out there !

Youri

Be nice people come on.

Adrianmsmith

selmerfudd

See….. https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/2884-evo2-and-vostock-auto-vent-display-software-changes

selmerfudd

Adrianmsmith

many thanks cant wait to implement that change ,

thx

chlorox

selmerfudd
Why would anyone buy nurri lever machines? Well, those of us who own nurri levas bought them because they make superlative espresso, are a joy and so easy to operate and use, and look incredibly good. As for nurri as a company, they have their own factory that is churning out nurri machines, and plan to be around for the long run. There are no guarantees that nurri or acs for that matter will survive in the far future, but then again there are no such guarantees of any coffee manufacturer at the end of the day…

dfk41

chlorox As for nurri as a company, they have their own factory

Could you find us the address for this factory please? Also some nice quality photos, especially of the name hanging on the door. That would be very interesting matey.

chlorox

Cuprajake

You are right that nurri wws the first to implement the venting the grouphead on demand feature on the LSM grouphead along with the rotary pump as well.
On the nurri method for venting the grouphead, there is a cost to everything and it depends what your priorities are. If the nurri way of venting the grouphead is “basic” to you, it does allow the user to control exactly how much he wants to vent the grouphead whether partially or fully by virtue of its mechanical nature. As well the lack of pressure differentials that cause the dirty water on top of the puck to be sucked back into the grouphead past the puck screen makes there is no fouling of the internals of the nurri.

Cuprajake

Giphy - triggered GIF

you on commission? :)

chlorox

Cuprajake
U have to decide which one is it u r trying to suggest - am I triggered or am I on commission??? LOL Because both are mutually exclusive!!!

Look, in a more serious vein, if it is legitimate for u and that other member to suddenly allude to the nurri in a thread that has nothing to do with the nurri at all, then it is at the very least equally (if not more so) legitimate for me to make a reply comment on it being someone who has actually owned and used a nurri and thus having the personal knowledge (unlike you and that guy) to make that comment…so I can just as legitimately put the same question to you - are you triggered by nurri to mwke that comment or are u on a commission ? LOL

After all why should my motives in defending a product I really like be questioned abd your motives for casting a negative view (“basic”) on it not be also questioned? Or better yet - how about keeping your comments on the topic at hand instead of making ad hominem comments at each other?

Cuprajake

oh im not bothered, they both have faults.

im just taking the mick as some one mentions nurri and you pop up lol thats all it makes me chuckle,

im so far removed from coffee now that i dont care anymore, there would be a time that id argue back but meh

live long and prosper

Giphy - robin williams vintage GIF

chlorox

Cuprajake
It’s hardly a joke to suggest someone of taking a commission to post on a forum actually, and so I responded in kind. I always pop up if anyone mentions nurri levers and u should know that by now. Live long and prosper as well…

dfk41

Very factory looking………

chlorox

dfk41
LOL U just had to dredge that one up again. That had already been explained long ago - that was their postal and contact address. (In fact u were on that thread if my memory serves me right so u know all this already…) Nurri never said that that address on their website at the time was their factory address. Their factory was in an industrial part of town and I shared about that in a previous post in either this forum or ln HB. If any of you wanted to visit the nurri factory, you could always contact antonio nurri to arrange a tour of his factory for yourself and u can then look for that signboard on the premises yourself in person instead of making passive aggressive insinuations on forums that nurri supposedly doesn’t have a factory.

dfk41

If they own a factory, then I do not understand the picture below taken from the Nurri webssite

dfk41

chlorox I recall that there was even a photo of their assembly line of several machines in assembly in their factory.

Is that their as in they own it, or their, as in the factory that they assemble in? If I had a lovely factory to make equipment in, then I would want the world to know by having my name above the door, thus showing my prowess and success. I definitely would not use a flat as a forwarding address, but what do I know hey Chlorox?

chlorox

dfk41
Well you aren’t the one owning a coffee machine company are you? Surely what one prefers in this case depends on the person!

Of course by their factory, that would be their factory and what that entails. Not someone else’s factory assembling for them.

And like I said above, dfk41 u can contact antonio nurri to ask to visit his factory and go there to view it if u really r that interested to.aee the nurri factory. This appears to be what was done by this purchaser of a nurri lever …
https://www.instagram.com/nurri.coffee/p/C_k1AMoo09f/
That would at least be a lot mroe productive than u making snide remarks about nurri factory on forums…

dfk41

chlorox Nothing snide about my remarks. I invite you to answer a question with facts and instead I get hearsay and the odd picture! That Instagram photo could be any factory in the world where someone has propositioned a corner, and furthermore you know it! It is hardly proof of Nurri owning their own factory in Naples now, is it. I understand that you are a believer and I am not. I also understand that in the business community, you broadcast your success. So, I will not comment further but I invite you at any point into the future, to show me a nice Nurri factory with their name on the door for the whole world to see……..is that really too much to ask now?

chlorox

dfk41

Pretty shocking of you to accuse antonio of posting a faked photograph of a corner of someone else’s factory to pose as his own. Who are you to be making such accusations without any proof whatsoever??? Has it occurred to you that the woman called Lammert who bought her nurri machine from nurri and who was visiting Antonio’s factory in the photo from the Netherlands during her visit would know that it is not his factory if it wasn’t his factory???!!

It’s not my factory and I have never visited the factory so I certainly don’t ahve anything to share beyond what I have said. But I have seen various parts of the factory in a video call I have had with Antonio including the assembly tables with machines in various stages of assembly and shelves of parts and chassis etc. So I know for a fact that the factory exists.

The man to contact in this case for you if u really honestly want to see it for yourself is antonio nurri. So make the call and make the visit if u really want to see his factory. Otherwise why continue to make noise about this unless u are only wanting to try to discredit the only competitor to acs in making hybrid levers out of thr self interest to help the manufacturer of your own lever?

dfk41

chlorox Giphy - Be Quiet Say Nothing GIF

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