Hello everyone! Super new here. Have some questions regarding the ACS Minima and the Lelit Mara X and thought joining this forum would be the best place to find the answer with @"DavecUK"#1's extensive knowledge on both machines. Essentially I am in the market for my first espresso machine and I am looking to get either the ACS Minima or the Lelit Mara X. I like both the looks (preferably with wooden finishes!) but slightly prefer the Minima's unique aesthetic. Where I stay (Singapore) the approximate price difference (Minima being more expensive) is as follows: 450\.00 SGD / 332.69 USD / 293.53 EUR I am wondering if the extra 450 SGD is worth the price upgrade from the HX to DB given that the Mara X doesn't have the issues of a typical HX? And from my research, the Minima's finishes (water tank, thinner metal, hot wand) are not as polished as the Mara X's? I am also wondering about the items that comes with the machine (i.e. the extras I need to buy after getting the machine). I understand the Minima comes with a plastic tamper that I would likely need to switch out. Some info in case it might help you guys help me: * I am intending to use this machine for the long term * I make 2 to 3 cups of black coffee (currently filtered, would be changing to Americanos / Long Blacks) * I prefer milk coffees on the weekends (also 2 to 3 cups per day) * If I have a group of people coming over I might need to make up to 5 cups of milk drinks, but this is rare and far between * I am using a manual 1zpresso JX grinder now which I intend to upgrade to a Niche Zero later this year - Side question, will the 1zpresso JX suffice as an espresso grinder or the grinder upgrade should come before the espresso machine? Thank you everyone for reading! And nice to meet everyone! :)

> @"Ixorya"#p5662 I make 2 to 3 cups of black coffee (currently filtered, would be changing to Americanos / Long Blacks) For me, this is deterministic. Minima it is. Run the machine without the service/steam boiler on during the weekdays, and with the boiler on at the weekend. You have better temp control and virtually no maintenance.

Hi Ive owned both and went from the Mara X to the Minima. I didn’t regret that decision.

@"Ixorya"#p5662 I should mention the Minima has much thicker metal than the MaraX, the metal is only thin on the drip tray, to make it a little springy, so it doesn't vibrate. Nist AISI 316L stainless boilers as well!

A question about the Minima. I will be probably using it to make coffees twice a day say 11am and 1pm and steaming both times. Ive seen that the steam boiler takes about 5 mins to get to temperature so presumably I should turn on the brew boiler at say 10.30 and then just flick the brew and steam boiler on 5 mins before I want to make my first drink? Is it worth switching back to just the brew boiler only after making my first coffee and leaving this on until I want to make my afternoon coffee again switching on the steam boiler 5 mins before I plan to make my coffee, or better to leave both boilers switched on?

I used to turn mine off, takes minutes to get back up to temp

It takes 8-9 mins to warm up to 130C from cold. Will take less time for your second coffee as it will be still be warm.

> @"Cuprajake"#p5742 I used to turn mine off, takes minutes to get back up to temp As do I

> @"MediumRoastSteam"#p5664 Run the machine without the service/steam boiler on during the weekdays, and with the boiler on at the weekend. You have better temp control and virtually no maintenance. I've just confirmed my order with ACS for a Minima and will be doing exactly this. The maintenance point was also a big + for me.

Thank you everyone for your input. I didn't expect a 100% vote on the minima. But this definitely help make my decision easier. 😁 I look forward to getting my white minima with wooden finish!

ACS Minima vs Lelit Mara X

LMSC

Snooze Oh dear! You are still debating.

We have been there before. You can’t go wrong with any one of these — Mara X, ACS Minima, Bianca and Vesuvius. If you can afford Bianca, I am sure, you can afford Vesuvius. Of course, it’s your money and it’s your decision.

Based on your list, my choice would be Vesuvius!

Snooze

LMSC and I’m glad I’m still debating since it made me realize that I should maybe consider the Vesuvius.
Thanks for your response.

Snooze

DavecUK ok thanks Dave.

LMSC

Snooze Please contact ACS on the Vesuvius, see the net cost to you inc taxes, customs, … and go from there. Let’s know how you got on. Best wishes!

Snooze

Cuprajake there is a bunch in fact. But yes the choice is a bit overwhelming.

In the interest of avoiding annoying anyone more than it already did with my back and forth dilemma, I’ll stop.

I appreciate the time you guys took to respond.

Snooze

LMSC thanks, will do.

LMSC

Snooze Please give Paolo a call and discuss in details. He will give you the breakdown on the phone. You can then work out just the taxes and import duties on top.

Cuprajake

@“Snooze”

https://idrinkcoffee.com/collections/consumer/products/lelit-bianca-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-w-pid-and-pressure-profiling

https://www.wholelattelove.com/collections/dual-boiler-espresso-machine/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-with-flow-control-wenge-quarter-cut

id say the profitec is a good shout when you look at the pricing difference

Cuprajake

if wll ship to can

Gagaryn

Snooze Probably worth checking if this deal includes shipping to Canada - https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/526-vesuvius-v2-deal

Snooze

Gagaryn thanks a lot for the heads up. I just wrote to Paolo about it.

Esohn

I’ve went through this whole thread. Snooze did you end up purchasing the vesuvius v2? I’m dying to know what you ended up purchasing! I was determined to buy mara x v2 (after potentially buying a used profitec pro 500 but realizing temp control is better on mara x). But now I hear about acs minima which opened another door haha. I’m also looking at bianca v2 as they’re on sale (in US—hope it’s okay joining UK forum). If the seller can lower the bianca v2 price a bit more i may go for that instead.

Cuprajake

I got a reply and the import is ontop, shame really ,

MediumRoastSteam

Esohn in US—hope it’s okay joining UK forum)

Welcome! Of course it is. There are many members from the US and other places here.

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