The forum is non commercial, but not non political in as much as there appears to be a phenomenon going on the like of which I have never seen before with the petitions system This petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143 has been running since 20 November, it already has **1,500,000 signatures in that time.** This is around 400K per day. Well nothing unusual you say…except that it's current run rate is 100K per hour! If this continues and doesn't increase it could have another 1.6 million signatures by end of play tomorrow. So regardless of your political leanings, it's very unusual, I've never seen anything like it and I intend to keep watching the link to see how high it gets. It still has 6 months to run, although I expect parliament will vote to debate it ASAP whilst numbers are low. In the time it took me to write this post 16,000 more signatures have been recieved

When I voted this morning at 10am, the count was approximately 320,000……every 10 seconds it is climbing around 250 signatures!

It seems like rather an odd petition. Politicians have not been doing what they said they would since the dawn of time. I’m not sure what it will achieve aside from making part of the population feel ‘heard’, which is as good as anything I suppose. Interested to follow along and see what happens.

Well nothing as we don't really get a say 🤣🤣🤣

Fascinating how quickly it’s rising! I’m curious as to what outcome people are hoping for though. From the narrative I saw pre-election, the left seemed very keen to just ‘get the Tories out’ without actually thinking beyond that result. Presumably those people aren’t likely to suddenly vote blue. I guess the farming community probably make up a significant number of those on the petition. I’m usually Tory but even I can appreciate that it’s likely to take Labour more than a few months to get settled in and I must admit they’ve at least made a few positive steps.

I think there are a few with voter's remorse in the USA who wouldn't mind another crack at it, too.

Get Farage in. Deputy be Katie Hopkins 😎

@"Pompeyexile"#p73280 The only ones with voters remorse are those who had the stupidity to vote Democrat! I find US politics fascinating to view from a distance. It makes our lot look like amateurs

People have short memories. Over 6 million signed the petition to revoke article 50 and remain in the EU. Over 4 million voted for a second EU referendum, so this isn't unprecedented. Starmer's government is unpopular and, as in most every election, fewer people voted for the government than didn't. That's how modern democracies work! Not liking the result of an election is a poor reason to push for another almost immediately. Given how increasingly easy it is to popularise these petitions online I wouldn't be surprised if this one gets as many votes or even passes the Brexit referenda. But I expect it will be as successful as all the others!

A few observations around this phenomenon, around 2 million elderly won't have the ability to sign it. It may also make them realise they do not have the clear mandate they thought and should respect the people they are there to serve.

The Petition - for another general election

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
It’s funny how u keep asserting that others shouldn’t presume to know u but here u e making false assumptions about me being a liberal arts major…

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

I may be wrong in this instance; however your smudgings of facts and details, led me to believe you had no background in science or engineering.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Why should I ? You don’t see it; that’s your problem or will be.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn

Or rather the real reason why you won’t reveal your reasoning is because you have none. So wrong and yet so unable to accept the truth…

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn

In fact you were unable to refuse even a single one of my assertions on what the dems are really doing to illegally bring in millions to guarantee for them a prrmanent super majority and how biden counteracted trump executive orders to create the immigration catastrophe. The Democrats are the real existential threat to the Republic and to democracy and they have always been since their beginnings as the slavery supporting party, the party of the South in the civil war, the party behind the ku klux klan and the party behind foreign wars and expansion.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
That logic must mean that you have no background in science and math given your defective reasoning and conclusions…

chlorox

Cuprajake
What brendan chooses not to acknowledge is that the southern border collapsed as soon as trump was replaced by biden because biden immediately on the first day of his tenure reversed virtually all of trump’s anti immigration executive orders including rhe stay in Mexico directive and allowed the flood to come in and then after they come in to catch and release them into the population. Of course modt of them claimed asylum which allowed to backlog the court system for the next ten years and meanwhile they can work etc and get properly entrenched do that the Democrats cna then give them amnesty in another few years and induc ta few million more democrat voters to turn America into a permanent democrat voting dupr majority…

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Actually, the Trump wall was collapsing soon after construction. Real high-quality stuff just like his other projects.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

There is a pertinent line from the Bard that I’m too polite to post here.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Reveal – why? I’m happy to discuss privately with persons I trust and respect.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

You forgot to mention

-- the space program

--the largest tax cut in US history

-- the President’s Council on Physical Fitness

--women’s right to vote

--ending child labor

--civil rights act

--Social Security

--Medicare

--SEC regulation of markets to protect consumers

--the Marshall Act – post ww2 aid for Europe

--NATO

and a number of other such subversive doings! How awful !

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Trump 76.9 million votes // 49.9% of votes cast

Harris 74.4 million votes // 48.3% of votes cast

Hardly a mandate, a landslide, or any other such nonsense

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
You are still avoiding my point which is that he still won the popular vote nonetheless and it is still the biggest win of any republicsn since 1988.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
You cannot even hold coherence in your arguments - nobody mentioned the wall let alone its construction quality at all so it is entirely irrelevant to what we were debating on. Going after a straw man won’t save your flailing arguments…

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
Again another insult. You haveno substanrive reasoning to speak of so u have to resort to ad hominem attacks. The first person to go personal is the first person to lose - that is always the rule of the debate…

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
If you had any real reasons, you would just spew it out just s you have stated so many other reasons on so many other things on trump above. But you won’t justify this particular point that trump caused the Ukraine war because you can’t. Own it instead of evading it.

And on your dig on not respecting me, you show your leftist nature by insulting me even though I never did that to you. I argue strongly but I argue fairly and I don’t resort to insults. The surest test of a leftist is their contempt for others.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Not at all; I’m merely pointing out it is a very slim margin; not a mandate

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

No insult intended. We’ve never met; never actually spoken; had a few minimal posting interactions here. I do not know you. End of story. You shouldn’t read into things without inquiring first. For the record I think you are wrong but I do not think you are a dope.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
NASA was set up in 1958 during a republican president’s term so not sure why u attribute it to the dems.
The biggest tax cuts were by reagan and bush - Obama merely extended the bush tax cuts.
The president council.on youth fitness that was the predecessor council was founded again by a republican president in 1956
As a matter of fact the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote was introduced by a republican senator james mann…
On child labor laws, the first politicians to campaign for a national law to ban child labor was Alfred Beveridge a republican …
Instititng unemployment benefits legislatuon is hardly a feather in the cap to boast about.
Medicare has not been a success - medical care is th3 most expensive to provide in usa but yet the us provides the poorest medical support among Indistrialsied nations by far
The civil rights act was bipartisan in support.
The sec was created as result of the stock market crash of 1928 and was bi partisan in nature so why are u giving the credit to the dems?
It happened to be a democrat president in power at the end of ww2 but thr Marshall plan and nato had wide bi partisan support so don’t give the credit to the dems.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
Brendan, winning the election itself is a mandate to govern according to what one promised during the election! And as a matter of fact according to recent history of results, it is not slim at all relative to recent elections.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn
What welfare check??? Bankruptcy isn’t a welfare payment - it is statutory protection from creditors…

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

Someone else picks up that tab – whether they want to or not. Sounds like welfare to me.

BrendaninBrooklyn

chlorox

I think you sincerely believe what you write. I have very strong reason to believe otherwise. In this instance, I sincerely hope I am wrong. Time will tell.

In January 2026 with one year of the new regime, I’ll be happy to discuss at least briefly, the reality that has occurred by then. Neither of us will convince the other now, so let history do so.

As for the rest, my private thoughts are not for public forums. If we get to actually know each other directly, I may be happy to discuss them with you.

chlorox

BrendaninBrooklyn

If u dont want to share your opinions on politics, you sure have shared a lot of political opinions already above!

Anyway whatever the case, try to give the new administration a chance rather than read the democrat propaganda that is being churned out constantly by the media. The present is already so bad that you may as well…

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