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MediumRoastSteam I think the temperature thing is a factor. Personally I have no problems pulling a single shot for myself once or twice a day, but I have struggled with multiple shots at times. I suspect this is a lack of experience as I do know a cafe that’s been running one for years now. Takes five minutes to heat up so I reckon that’s not a problem.
Big advantage for me is the ability to adjust during the pull 🙂👍
Flair 58, Mahlkonig EK43, Kinu M47, 1zpresso ZP6.
JimmyP Big advantage for me is the ability to adjust during the pull
Yep. Had La Pavoni(s) before. Another reason I moved on to the Elizabeth. 😊 - I press a button, I let it do its thing. 👍
JimmyP I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the difference re espresso and flavour?
I do know that Chase spring is much softer than filtered tap water where I live (east Kent), but I have only used basic type filters.
It’s relative to your preference - you say that you like the tamer acidity with lighter roasts, so if you’re not suffering any scale issues, or flattened/indistinct flavour profiles, you don’t have a problem.
‘Basic’ filters might only take out chlorine and not affect mineral content at all.
MediumRoastSteam La Pavoni is no match for the Flair 😎👌
Flair 58, Mahlkonig EK43, Kinu M47, 1zpresso ZP6.
JimmyP I didn’t suggest anything, I clearly explained the known difference, re read my response.
pH is loosely related to alkalinity, but once you have water of a given alkalinity, then pH is largely set, so for most folk, you don’t get the option to change one independently of the other - unless you are in a soft water area, where your water pH may be adjusted by the supplier to stop it eating your pipework/appliances.
JimmyP La Pavoni is no match for the Flair
both direct levers - which I am not a fan. That was my point.
MediumRoastSteam Big differences between the two. That was my point 🙂👍
Flair 58, Mahlkonig EK43, Kinu M47, 1zpresso ZP6.
JimmyP Big differences between the two. That was my point
Ah. I wasn’t aware. I though they were essentially the same. What differences are there exactly?
MediumRoastSteam Temperature management. La Pavoni is awful.
Flair 58, Mahlkonig EK43, Kinu M47, 1zpresso ZP6.
JimmyP Temperature management. La Pavoni is awful.
Why? What’s the difference?
JimmyP I’ve already told you that higher alkalinity in brew water attenuates perceived acidity and contributes to body and less clear flavour definition. This is well understood in the beverage industry, not specific to coffee.
The effect on perceived acidity assumes that the acidity/acidic notes in the coffee in question is not due to under-extraction.
You can also brew with distilled water (for brewed & with your Flair - not with a machine with a boiler) then add total hardness & alkalinity to the brew with drops, like Lotus drops to see the effect.
JimmyP La Pavoni has a boiler attached.
That’s not what I asked. I am asking you why one is better (or worse) than the other. Can you explain?
MediumRoastSteam I did tell you buddy. Temperature management is the issue 🙂👍
Flair 58, Mahlkonig EK43, Kinu M47, 1zpresso ZP6.
JimmyP did tell you buddy. Temperature management is the issue
Sorry. I wasn’t clear: could you please tell me, in simple words, why having a boiler attached is better, or worse, for temperature management?
