DrForinor I’ve seen a few posts online about people having problems with their Elizabeth. I understand it’s always the bad cases that are published on the internet and usually the good ones don’t get the publicity they deserve, but I just wanted my mind put to rest, to make sure it’s a sound investment

The best place to ask for that is users, not sellers… apart from any vested interest, they also tend to see the ‘bad cases’, as those are the ones they get asked for help on, or do repairs on.

A quick search on the forum here does not seem to show too many issues - other than the recent “OPV getting stuck”, which should be factory fixed on anything ordered now - and quite a few satisfied users, some of whom have already posted here.

      CoyoteOldMan

      Agreed that there’s obviously going to be a bias on their part. But considering they have a better idea on how many are sold, versus how many have issues, would give a decent idea?

      Going by their reputation from what I’ve heard, I’m trusting them to be truthful. Perhaps that’s a little naive?

          DrForinor I don’t think it’s particularly naive, and they have a great rep - it’s just that I don’t think any single seller sells nearly as many as would be necessary to get a statistical view of ‘reliability’, and I don’t know to what extent they track them. You run the risk of getting an ‘impression’ to which you attribute more weight than it’s worth.

              Cuprajake Eureka scales, do you have a link

              I use the yuaga scales there cheap and reliable

              I’m just going to get a silicone grip mat to use on my Yagua scales, if my coffee glass continues to move about with the Eliabeth.

                I bought a Lelit Elizabeth about 6 months ago from Bella Barista. The OPV is set out of the box at about 9.5-10 bar. I haven’t seen any need to adjust it. I have one of the coffee buttons configured to deliver about 3 seconds preinfusfion using the pump to gradually increase pressure to 9 bar. The other is set for 4 seconds preinfusion using steam to hold the pressure at 3 bar for approximately 6 more seconds then up to 9 bar for the rest of the shot. I can switch off the steam boiler and alter the way the second button works at the press of a button on the controller. I drink mainly espresso or long black so if I’m not using the steam preinfusion I keep it switched off for economy. If I want steam milk it takes minutes to be ready from switching the steam boiler on. The machine has had its default controller settings adjusted according to the documents that Dave C has produced and I’ve been extremely happy with how the machine has worked without me needing to play around with it.I am constantly changing the coffee beans I use and have found I get really good drinks by just adjusting the grinder settings (Niche Zero) and keeping the machine set - only changing one variable if at all possible. Life is too short to mess around seeking perfection in a drink if what I’m getting is good. Bottom line is I would happily get another Elizabeth if the one I have failed although I don’t expect that to happen anytime soon. I also drink coffee using other methods (see signature) but that’s not relevant to this topic.

                Lelit Elizabeth, Niche Zero

                V60 with Drip Assist, Clever Dripper, Knock Feld47

                Aeropress, Knock Aergrind

                  The Liz was nearly on my shelf

                  Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                  I should have also said I have the machine powered through a smart switch to switch on about 30 minutes before I’m likely to use it although it takes just under 20 minutes to actually be ready to deliver a shot. If I want to make multiple shots, the brew boiler is back up to temperature before I’ve had chance to fill and tamp the portafilter basket ( single dosing the grinder takes the time). The portafilter is an interesting design. Whilst some may not care for the dual spout looks, the handle is shaped so the portafilter sits with the basket horizontally on a level surface to aid tamping. Steaming is great when I use it as it is easy to control the amount of steam going into the milk and produce really smooth micro foam. Unfortunately I’m absolutely rubbish at latte art so I can’t show off any of my results! I backflush the machine frequently both with water and cleaner and also remove the showehead to give it a good clean. Both tasks are easy to do if you follow Dave C’s youTube videos. I don’t use the Lelit water filter as I live in a very soft water area and can see no sign of any scaling (my kettle has been in use for nearly 3 years and has no trace of scaling on its heating element). If I lived in a harder water area I would definitely use some form of water treatment to reduce or prevent scaling.

                  Lelit Elizabeth, Niche Zero

                  V60 with Drip Assist, Clever Dripper, Knock Feld47

                  Aeropress, Knock Aergrind

                    DrForinor Honestly the only thing I’m not mad on is how it looks

                    I’m the opposite and don’t like the “transport cafe” look in a modern looking kitchen - think it’s all the wannabe engineers who are actually behind a desk all week 🤡

                    I had an issue with a leaking boiler fitting but BB were brilliant and it was sent and returned back very quickly

                    Paired with a great grinder they are an excellent product @MediumRoastSteam has got great knowledge of how to get the best from the machine and is someone to follow

                        Uncletits Great to hear that you’re happy with your machine. Any tips from you? Which grinder are you using?

                        I had just ordered the STPK 38 from BB so that’s what I’m pairing it with.

                          With this machine I’ve had the DF64 and now a Niche - also have an Osmio for the water

                            I always use fairly dark beans and milk so it hides a lot

                            For me the superior bit for the Niche is the workflow and cleaning which are really easy

                              You guys are gonna think I’ve lost my friggin marbles here.

                              The more I’m reading about espresso machines, the more I’m certain it has to be a dual boiler machine. The more I think about it, I’m doubting myself if the Elizabeth will actually be my “final machine” - when I knew I’ll be upgrading after I bought my Gaggia, I never imagined I would go “mid range” but thought to myself I’ll go higher end.

                              I can force space on the kitchen table (I hate to do it, but if I have to then I will) but now I’m looking at the Profitec 700. I first started looking at the Profitec 600 but if I’m paying that amount of money and I want it to be my final machine then I want a rotary pump. Yes I know the Lelit Bianca is the very obvious choice but two things to note;

                              • In my end machine, I never wanted knobs for the steam wand, always the joystick style
                              • I hate the setup of the tank being outside the machine - that would forever really p*ss me off - and I can’t plumb it in the place I’m in right now. I might be able to in the future but I don’t know if/when that will ever happen

                              I’ve ruled the ACS Minima out, the aesthetics on it just don’t sit right with me.

                              What are your thoughts? Am I being silly? Any other machine that I should consider?

                              That’s a £1000 jump right there

                              Only you can decide there lol much of a muchness the Bianca is the best of the bunch as its got more features, but if you don’t like it then that that.

                              Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

                              The price was not really high on my priority list, I just wanted a better machine. But I have a little feeling that the itch to upgrade to what I always had in mind will always be there, so I’m thinking it might be better just to make that big jump now and forget the mid-range machine.

                              The Bianca has more features than the Profitec 700? Which features does it have that the 700 doesn’t?